Chat: February 2006

[17:23] <Harry_Redd> I'll send you his E-Mail iIF it's ok with Ed.
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[17:23] <Harry_Redd> Sean is trustworthy Ed.
[17:23] <SeanS> fine by me
[17:23] <EML> 12If the log will be on larryniven.org, I'll just link to it. No need to duplicate the log.
[17:23] <Harry_Redd> WB Bill.
[17:24] <Bill> Well, this is tiresome ... Hi again
[17:24] <Harry_Redd> You might like to have a referance copy Ed.
[17:24] <EML> 12it's Mr. Bill!
[17:24] <Lensman> The implications of a Puppeteer fetus being brought to term in the "mother"'s stomach is interesting, altho Larry did not choose to incorporate that into canon.
[17:24] <Bill> Hello, EML ... OOOOOH NOOOO!
[17:24] <Harry_Redd> I think the Puppeteers are lieing about that.
[17:25] <FlyingDragon> TY, Lensman.
[17:25] <Lensman> Well Carol should know if Lessus was lying. :)
[17:25] <EML> 12FOW explains much about Puppeteer mating and reproduction (among other mysteries to be revealed).
[17:26] <Lensman> Bill, are you accessing this chat via IRC or the Java Client?
[17:26] <FlyingDragon> Part of my point in that story was to detail possibilities of pp reporduction in such a way so as to not violate canon, yet keep them vegetarian, I mean... herbavore RATHER than vegetarian.
[17:26] <Lensman> "TY" ?
[17:26] <FlyingDragon> AH!
[17:26] <Bill> Java, off the Niven website.
[17:26] <Harry_Redd> Carol, if you were as paranoid as a Puppeteer, would YOU want an ginganeering race to know anything oabout your reproductive methods?
[17:26] * FlyingDragon looking forward to reading that part of FOW!!!
[17:27] <EML> 12enjoy, Carol.
[17:27] <Lensman> Bill: Come on over to the light side of the force! Download and install mIRC and you won't get kicked off.
[17:27] <FlyingDragon> I have control of the gengeneered species, and I dont' have to risk MY life in childbirth? Sound good to me.
[17:27] <Fred> 07I use java off the niven site and I've never been kicked off
[17:27] <NickE> been pretty good for me too
[17:27] <EML> 12I've also been using java access from the niven site without problem.
[17:27] <FlyingDragon> Bill, have you re-booted recently? Maybe it is some other program you are running at the same time?
[17:27] <Lensman> Fred: Some have problems with Java client, some don't.
[17:28] <Harry_Redd> We've been experianceing Power "flickers" here.
[17:29] <Bill> Dave, I'm lucky to be online at all ... computer probs, remember? I can't load SP2 on this beast yet after its crash, and my laptop just went into the hospital (2 weeks before RadCon, no less!)
[17:29] <Lensman> When I was still on dial-up I had all kinds of problems with the Java client. I *still* cannot run a rescources-hog game like Civilization II at the same time. mIRC is so much nicer!
[17:29] <EML> 12do not adjust your set. we control the horizontal. we control the vertical ...
[17:29] <NickE> heh
[17:31] <Fred> 07I hated mirc with a fiery vengeance. If I still had to use it I wouldn't come here at all.
[17:31] <EML> 12Before terribly much longer, I am going to have to bail. So: are there any more curiosity bumps out there needing scratching re FOW?
[17:31] <Lensman> The Puppeteer's "mother" client species would be much easier to believe if it were a genegineered animal. But I think Nessus or Hindmost say the symbotic relationship happened before Puppeteers developed technological civilization. Of course it's easy to dismiss that as a lie, but there are some fascinating symbiotic relationships right here on earth, so I don't see that as impossible.
[17:32] <FlyingDragon> I'll have to agree with you, Lensman, as you have read my story since I have!
[17:32] <EML> 12Puppeteers lie? Oh, the horror. EML.
[17:32] <FlyingDragon> I do admit that were I to re-write it, I'd change a few things.
[17:32] <Fred> 07EML, how about nailing down how big the LONG SHOT is. Just to keep us even happier. :)
[17:33] <Bill> EML ... are you going to be in Eastern Washungton saay President's Day weekend?
[17:33] <NickE> So, this new human world, is a name too spoilery?
[17:33] <Lensman> EML: Well anything you would care to say about Puppeteer culture would be interesting. But I can't think of any specific question to ask that wouldn't be giving away Big Secrets.
[17:33] <Harry_Redd> I have to wonder about how the Puppeteers got into space in the First place... and alos their relationship with the Outsiders.
[17:34] <FlyingDragon> Lensman, thanks for talking up my story. Glad you liked it.
[17:34] <Harry_Redd> Also WHY they went to space.
[17:34] * FlyingDragon needs to run an errand. I'll be back later.
[17:34] <NickE> Later Carol
[17:34] <EML> 12Long Shot is a GP4 hull. For the new stories, we didn't need to worry about its exact size.
[17:34] <FlyingDragon> Ed, nice meeting you, even if only virtualy.
[17:34] <Lensman> Oh, here's a question: Not that I want the answer, but does FOW *address* the question raised in "Ghost" about whether or not the Fleet of Worlds is actually headed towards the Lesser Cloud of Magellen?
[17:34] <Harry_Redd> I'd also find the reason(s) for herbavores developing intelligence Fascinating!
[17:34] <EML> 12Eastern washington?
[17:35] * FlyingDragon is now known as Flying_Away
[17:35] <EML> 12yup, the name of the new human world will hafta remain undisclosed for now.
[17:35] <NickE> So Long Shot is involved then
[17:35] <Harry_Redd> Ed, You'd think that a GP #4 hull would be built to Special Order.
[17:35] <NickE> Thought so. Will look fwd to seeing it
[17:36] <EML> 12Long Shot and the Outsiders will figure in Juggler of Worlds.
[17:36] <Bill> RadCon, Pasco WA, Feb 16-18 ... Larry is GOH, I'm AGOH.
[17:36] <NickE> And *again* with the drool! :0)
[17:36] <Lensman> "The Long Shot was 1000 ft in diameter, but 200 years later the hull had been vastly inflated by a specially genegineered animal with *very* strong cheeks..."
[17:36] <Harry_Redd> All of us are looking forward to FoW. That's a given. If they weren't, they wouldn't be here! ;-)
[17:37] <NickE> yup
[17:37] <EML> 12ah, *that* washington. I live outside DC. Nope, I won't be at that con.
[17:38] <Lensman> What Harry said.
[17:38] <Bill> Sorry to hear it, EML ... I used to live in Springfield VA.
[17:38] <Fred> 07Actually in it's first appearance in RINGWORLD, Larry describes the LONG SHOT as both 1000 feet and a mile in diamter, in short order
[17:38] <Harry_Redd> I analyze the Obvious. It's always hideing something. :-)
[17:38] <Fred> 07I've always hoped he mean a mile in circumference
[17:39] <Lensman> I mile in diameter seems excessive to me.
[17:39] <Bill> Yet we can accept Sir Arthur's RAMA ...
[17:39] <Lensman> Even with the retconned thing about most of the machinery being non-functional, just for show.
[17:39] <NickE> 2 pi r
[17:39] <Flying_Away> Walking out the door, but before I go, I wanted to announce that a writer friend of mine scored me and my family tickets to see a screening of the unreleased new movie "Farmer Astronaut" next Wednesday.
[17:39] <Fred> 07cool
[17:39] <Harry_Redd> 1000 M gives you a slightly ove a mile Circumfrance.
[17:40] <EML> 12In Fleet, it's a thousand feet in diameter.
[17:40] <Fred> 07right harry
[17:40] <frgeek> I have no problem seeing intellegent herbavores. Intelelegnce helps in being a predator but it also helps in being to outhink predators. Puppeteer predators may even have been *very* intellegent. (OBNIV) Think of what it have been like if dolfins had hands)
[17:40] <Flying_Away> Anyone hear anything about that movie yet?
[17:40] <Harry_Redd> A take on FARMER IN THE SKY Carol?
[17:40] <NickE> Fair 'nuff. That makes it canon :-)
[17:40] <Fred> 07"over 1000 feet in diameter" is comfortably close to "a mile in circumference"
[17:40] <Flying_Away> Dunno. Maybe. I will be certain to let all of you know.
[17:41] <Flying_Away> gotta run,. store might close at 5 PM.
[17:41] <Lensman> Bill: Yes, but that's an entire miniature world. The problem I have with the Long Shot is that it's so crammed full it has a cramped crew quarters. With 1000 ft diameter that's a lot more believable than it is with a mile diameter.
[17:41] <Bill> Bye, Carol!
[17:41] <NickE> Good
[17:41] <Flying_Away> *really away
[17:41] <Harry_Redd> Think of what it have been like if dolfins had hands) \\\ No sharks!
[17:41] <SteveS> I saw a preview the other day. Apparently, he's a farmer, and he's built a spacecraft in his barn, and the government won't let him launch it.
[17:41] <NickE> bye
[17:41] <Fred> 07later carol
[17:41] <Flying_Away> bye bye Bill
[17:41] <Fred> 07I saw the preview too. looked a lot like the bbc series ROCKETMAN
[17:42] <Harry_Redd> ROCKET SHIP GALLILEO then.
[17:42] <NickE> Rocetman sucked
[17:42] <NickE> Rocketman
[17:42] <Fred> 07yes
[17:42] <Harry_Redd> SALVAGE 1 ??
[17:42] <Fred> 07LOL
[17:42] <EML> 12Bill, I'm out in the Shenandoah Valley. It's nothing like Springfield.
[17:42] <Fred> 07I heard SUCH good things about Rocketman, and I was massively disappointed
[17:42] <NickE> yes
[17:43] <Bill> I just sent an illo for Analog about Bubba Prichert going to the moon to bring back the A15 rover for the NASM ... good yarn!
[17:43] <Lensman> Rocketman was a great comic. Unfortunately it was turned into a kid's movie, all the adult material removed. Great visuals, tho!
[17:43] <Fred> 07rocketman would have almost worked if it had been set in 1950
[17:43] <frgeek> I do not remeber "Rocketman" I remebr "salvage one" however
[17:43] <Fred> 07um
[17:43] <Fred> 07Lens, I think you mean THE ROCKETEER
[17:43] <Lensman> Oops ignore previous telegram... that was Rocketeer.
[17:43] <NickE> On a more positive front, trailers for series 2 of Life on Mars are running here. It;s a Camberwick Green pastiche and hilarious (the trailer, not the series)
[17:44] <Fred> 07we're getting an american version of LIFE ON MARS
[17:44] <Harry_Redd> Intentially humourous Nick?
[17:44] <NickE> Oh?
[17:44] <Lensman> I guess I don't know what Rocketman is.
[17:44] <NickE> Oh yes
[17:44] <frgeek> Harry drat i admit you beat me to the salvage one referance,
[17:44] <Fred> 07yeah, it was one of a bunch of sci fi pilots that was just announced as being picked up
[17:45] <Fred> 07by sci fi channel, I think
[17:45] <Fred> 07the guys that booted RINGWORLD
[17:45] <Bill> SALVAGE 1 was a lot of fun. (A cement mixer and unsymmetrical dimethyl monomethyl hydrazine!? Great stuff!)
[17:45] <NickE> If you grew up in 70's Britain, (which is the charm of the series), the trailer is hilarious (Camberwick Green was a stop frame puppet kids show btw)
[17:45] <Fred> 07you can buy a model of SALVAGE ONE
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[17:46] <Harry_Redd> I think SCI-FI didn't pick up RINGWORLD because they couldn't find a way to make it Anbti-Corporation or Anti-Bush.
[17:46] <Fred> 07lol
[17:46] <Harry_Redd> Or Anti Military for that matter.
[17:47] <frgeek> Im glad they did not pick up ingworld, they woudl have made a travesty of it
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[17:47] <Fred> 07hey bill
[17:47] <Harry_Redd> WB afain Bill.
[17:47] <Fred> 07long time no see
[17:47] <Bill> Turd time's a charm, tenderfoot.
[17:47] <EML> 12Hey all, it was great chatting. I'm going to be on my way momentarily. Larry & I had fun with Fleet. We hope you enjoy it.
[17:47] <Fred> 07thanks EML!
[17:47] <Fred> 07we really enjoyed it!
[17:47] <NickE> Thanks for droppin by Ed
[17:48] <NickE> realll teased us good 'n proper!
[17:48] <Harry_Redd> Thanks for coming in Ed. Come back nest month, you are always welcome here.
[17:48] <NickE> Absolutely
[17:48] <Bill> Nice to sorta meet you, EML...
[17:49] <EML> 12It's been fun. I'll be sure to come by again.
[17:49] <NickE> http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/a41914/in-video-life-on-mars-returns-to-bbc-one.html
[17:49] <NickE> Cool
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[17:49] <frgeek> My favorite savage one quote. "The oon mission was designed for 99.99% reliability. We can do it with 99% or 95%. Heck Ill do it with 60% reliabity!" I think that echos teh opinion of most on the list
[17:49] <SteveS> Yup, nice to meet the new folks.
[17:49] <NickE> not sure if thats the best link to the trailer tho
[17:49] <Fred> 07what was scary was that at one point SciFi cloaked RINGWORLD, but development continued "behind closed doors" -- the didn't want us to know what the were doing. That CAN'T be good.
[17:50] <NickE> its coming up slowly on dialup anyway
[17:51] <SteveS> I need to head out myself. I need to go buy a book for a SF book club at the library, which I'll be going to for the first time on Thursday.
[17:51] <NickE> That was pretty cool. Gonna be a good transcript
[17:51] <SteveS> We're reading Bradbury's Dandelion Wine.
[17:51] <Bill> I WANT TO WREST THE RIGHTS FOR "RENDEZVOUS WITH RAMA" AWAY FROM MORGAN FREEMAN ... not to change the subject much.
[17:51] <SteveS> Then the anime club's meeting shortly after I get my book.
[17:51] <Harry_Redd> A VERY good transcript.
[17:52] <NickE> have fun Steve. ta fro showing us your Liar as well
[17:52] <Harry_Redd> Give them to Peter jackson instead?
[17:52] <SteveS> So, I will see y'all next time.
[17:52] <NickE> ttfn
[17:52] <Harry_Redd> Adios Steve. Have a good one.
[17:52] <SteveS> You're welcome. I just wish I could have found the floor layout blueprint I put together a while back.
[17:52] <Bill> Bye, Steve
[17:52] <SteveS> Bye, y'all!
[17:52] * SteveS is now known as SteveS_away
[17:53] <Lensman> Rendezvous with Rama would make a *great* movie, some very stronly visual scenes in the book.
[17:53] <Lensman> Strongly visual.
[17:53] <NickE> the link is working, just takes a while to load the whole thing
[17:53] <Bill> No, Felix, Jackson's "Kong" sucked ... *I* want to do it so it's done *properly* !!
[17:53] <Lensman> And I think it would be easier to do it right than Ringworld, too. No major non-human characters.
[17:53] <Harry_Redd> yeah, but you'd need someone who would stick closely to the book, or it wouldn't make sense.
[17:54] <NickE> RWR was a great book. Agree that some very good visuals were described
[17:55] <Lensman> I have never been happy with any Sci-Fi Channel adaptation. "Dune" was pretty good, but was not done in-house. If whoever did that did Rw it might be passable.
[17:55] <NickE> Yeah ,but we want it done *right* :-)
[17:55] <Harry_Redd> Hmm the parody RENDEVOUIS WITH RAMIN comes immediatly to mind. ;-)
[17:55] <NickE> ?
[17:56] <Harry_Redd> RAMIN? Instant noodles?
[17:56] <Lensman> LOL-- A giant styrofoam cup floats thru space...
[17:56] <Harry_Redd> Yupper!
[17:56] <frgeek> Well they did Battlestar right - and I thought it woudl not have been possible
[17:56] <Harry_Redd> And the suprise when they find out what is insdside!
[17:56] <Bill> I spend every moment I get in a commercial airliner glued to the window thinking, "This is Jimmy Pak's POV ... only it wraps around me to the same height overhead ..." Igt's a tough concept to wrap your mind around...
[17:56] <Lensman> "My god! It's full of noodles!"
[17:56] <frgeek> Beef, chicekn pork, the Ramens do everthing in threes...
[17:57] <Harry_Redd> LOL!
[17:57] <Lensman> Is BG being done in-house?
[17:57] <Lensman> LOL indeed!
[17:58] <Bill> LOL LENS!
[17:59] <Lensman> Well their Stargate series are well done, and BG as I've said is the best written SF series on TV ever, so maybe they've improved. But I still have not seen any good made-for-TV movies from the Skiffy channel.
[17:59] <Bill> "Waiter! There's a flycycle in my soup!'
[17:59] <NickE> <splutter!> oh bog, that trailer just cracks me up!
[17:59] <NickE> <stop it!>
[18:00] <Fred> 07I like Stargate SG1 (the 'SG' stands for: STARGATE!) but Stargate Atlantis SGA (the 'SGA' stands for: STARGATE ATLANTIS!!) is often physically painful
[18:00] <Bill> "What's he doing there?" "THE BACKSTROKE ..."
[18:00] * SeanS sets mode: +o Harry_Redd
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[18:00] <SeanS> well about time for me to take off. Enjoy.
[18:00] <Lensman> SG Atlantis is not as good, but I often enjoyed it.
[18:00] <Fred> 07"shhh, the other customers will want one too"
[18:00] * Nick_Danger is now known as emilio_lizardo
[18:01] <Lensman> LOL Fred!
[18:01] <Bill> Good night, Sean.
[18:01] <Fred> 07nite sean
[18:01] <emilio_lizardo> hi guys goodnight sean
[18:01] <NickE> night Sean
[18:01] * SeanS is now known as SeanLog
[18:01] <Bill> Halloo, Private Danger!
[18:01] <Fred> 07he walked ruthlessly into the night
[18:01] <emilio_lizardo> hello!
[18:01] <Fred> 07(I wonder where Ruth is?)
[18:02] <emilio_lizardo> heh. changed the handle
[18:02] <Lensman> What happened to Ruth?
[18:02] <emilio_lizardo> can change it back if you guys want
[18:02] <NickE> :-)
[18:02] <Bill> Arf! Arf!
[18:02] <SeanLog> yep, Fred, I have it as an mp3
[18:02] * emilio_lizardo says laugh while you can monkey boy!
[18:02] <Fred> 07yah, it's on iTunes for 99¢
[18:02] <Lensman> <Lensman screams and leaps at Lizardo>
[18:02] <Fred> 07on a time/money ratio, it's clearly your best entertainment value
[18:02] <emilio_lizardo> heh
[18:03] <Harry_Redd> Ruthlessly? No candy bar?
[18:03] <Fred> 07he walked into a great sandstone building
[18:03] <Fred> 07OOF
[18:03] <Bill> Emilio: We gotta take your TV set outta here ...
[18:04] <Lensman> Fred: Sound's like you'd enjoy the Thog section in Dave Lambert's fanzine _Ansible_.
[18:04] <Bill> What's that watermelon doing there ...?
[18:05] <Lensman> Oops not Dave Lambert...
[18:05] <NickE> ahem
[18:05] <NickE> langford
[18:05] <Lensman> I forget who does _Ansible_.
[18:05] <Lensman> Thanks Nick.
[18:05] <NickE> Dave Langford
[18:05] <NickE> Picks up the fanzine Hugo regularly. deserved too
[18:05] <Lensman> I blame my headache.
[18:06] <Lensman> I get it e-mailed, but when I do I head over to the website and read it there, it has illos at the site.
[18:06] <Bill> I envy your headache ... I've got a toothache and no mewds.
[18:07] <frgeek> Well thanks for teh f un but I must be off
[18:07] <NickE> Hope you missed the wind Phil (you in Florida?)
[18:07] <Bill> Bye, frg...
[18:07] <NickE> bye
[18:08] <Lensman> Ouch! Well OralJet? OralGel? Will relive the pain, but wears off quickly.
[18:08] <Bill> Don't get burned...
[18:08] <Harry_Redd> Bill, get some OIL OF CLOVES. It works wonders when rubbed on the affected tooth.
[18:09] <Bill> Clove oil helps. Scotch would work better, if I had some...
[18:09] <Harry_Redd> I keep a bottle of Brandy around for just such emergencies.
[18:10] <Fred> 07BRANDY! THROW MORE BRANDY!!
[18:10] <frgeek> Did not miss it entire. A tree at the church fell and lande don somebody's car. no dammage but fell on it and covered it like a giant spider web. had to life it with a crane. dundest thing
[18:10] <Bill> Man, oh man, I had a disaster the other night. Tried to open a bottle of homemade apple cider. A 2-gallon jug of homemade apple cider.
[18:11] <NickE> oH DEAR
[18:11] <NickE> wups
[18:12] <Harry_Redd> Explosion?
[18:12] <Bill> There was about a pint, maybe two, left. Everything in the house s sticky. I'm very fortunate I didn't lose an eye, but I got a shower ...
[18:13] <Bill> I finally found the cap, I don't know what it hi yet but it looked like it had been run over.
[18:14] <Lensman> Toothache, cider explosion... Well hopefully the yin/yang thing will give you some GOOD karma to balance things out! We can hope, anyway.
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[18:14] <Harry_Redd> I had a long run yesterday. Got home on the last Red Bar of the power gage on the chair and THAT was blinking!
[18:15] <Bill> Thank you, Mr S ... it can't all be bad news, huh? Growler, welcome aboard!
[18:15] <growler> hi
[18:15] <Harry_Redd> Hi Growler.
[18:16] <Fred> 07grrrooowwwwlllll
[18:16] <Harry_Redd> One good thing about that though. It will give the bats a full recharge. A deep one!
[18:16] <Bill> Are you droidmobiling these days, Frank?
[18:16] <NickE> hi growler
[18:16] <growler> I have been, at the t.v
[18:16] <Lensman> Tim the Tool Man sez: MORE POWER!!
[18:16] <frgeek> The whole house? WMF - weapons of mass fermentaion ;)
[18:16] <Lensman> LOL
[18:17] <Harry_Redd> Yeah. And thinking about writing a filk O'l Hoverchair's got me.
[18:17] <Bill> frgeek ... too true to be funny!
[18:17] <NickE> Do IT!
[18:17] <Harry_Redd> We'll see.
[18:18] <Harry_Redd> I always like that Charmicle song.
[18:18] <Harry_Redd> More like a TMF FrG. Trget of ...
[18:19] <Bill> ??? Huh?
[18:19] <Harry_Redd> Mass Fermentation.
[18:19] <Lensman> Too many acronyms for me, too.
[18:19] <frgeek> Well you all have fun. See you on the list!
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[18:20] <NickE> Later Phil
[18:20] <Bill> Bye, frg!
[18:20] <NickE> This is superb. Firefly/Futurama crossover filk - http://media.libsyn.com/media/thesignal/14-The_great_Luke_Ski-A_Man_Named_Jayne.mp3
[18:20] <Lensman> "He was an old fan, and tired."
[18:21] <Harry_Redd> Bill, a suggestion? http://www.freewebs.com/lensman003/Lying%20Bastard_SpeakerHitsTheBrakes.jpg Rotate the wing around the long axes 180 degrees. it would cut the view, eliminate the need to draw in the HD engines and make it look more like the popular concept of a Fighter craft.
[18:22] <Harry_Redd> Or you could rotate virticaly 180 degrees. ;-)
[18:22] <NickE> (It was one of the tracks I reviewed for my first foray into podcasting)
[18:22] <Bill> Well, it isn't lik I didn't learn my lesson or anything ... I have another batch bubbling but I have the lid a little looser this time.
[18:23] <Harry_Redd> You need a fermentation lock.
[18:23] <Lensman> Ah, that's better. Modern pharmeceuticals triumph over sinus headache.
[18:25] <Bill> I considered that, Felix, but I had the description to dea with that as Louis Wu walked around the Bastard while she was grounded, he was looking through the GP hull ... which indicated to me that the wraparound fusion wing went over the top of the hull.
[18:25] <Harry_Redd> Ok. BRB Bio.
[18:26] <Bill> Lens, I can't thank you enough for your help on making this piece possible. Kudos!
[18:27] <Lensman> BRB eats
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[18:27] <Harry_Redd> OK Bill.
[18:27] <Harry_Redd> Hi Senax.
[18:27] <senax> Hi everyone.
[18:27] <Bill> Hi, Senax, we're discussing whether or not BRB eats.
[18:28] <senax> BRB?
[18:28] <NickE> hi Frank
[18:28] <senax> Who or what is BRB?
[18:29] <Bill> WHAT BRB eats or who BRB is is a matter of some conjecture. We think he's Libertarian.
[18:29] <NickE> LOL
[18:29] <Harry_Redd> YOu just missed Ed Lerner by about 1/2 hour. The Transcript will be posted at the Website in chats, most likely Monday. It was a good one.
[18:29] <senax> Cool.
[18:30] <NickE> Lens said BRD eats just before you logged in (brb=be right back)
[18:30] <senax> lol
[18:30] <Bill> Awww, you never le me have any fun ...
[18:30] <NickE> </party pooper>
[18:32] <Bill> (Pig cartoon character squatting on a cantaloupe ..."Gee, this is awkward ...")
[18:33] <Lensman> BRB = Be Right Back
[18:33] <Bill> What, are you leaving too?
[18:33] <Harry_Redd> I think I'm here for the duration.
[18:35] <Bill> If this thing doesn't stop throbbing, I'm gong to get something stronger than beer and aspirin and put myself down for a while ...
[18:35] <Lensman> For heaven's sake Bill, run out and get some Oil of Cloves!
[18:36] <NickE> For anyone interested, here's the link for the Firefly Filk CD tracks from ep 24 of The Signal podcast. You even get CD artwork to put with your own burned disc (I've done it twice) The songs are all good - excellent http://signal.serenityfirefly.com/shownotes.php?e=2240
[18:36] <Bill> One saving grace: it's lower left, so if I have to take the vice-grips to it my whole head won't swell up, just the jaw ...
[18:37] <NickE> the links are to high res mp3 copies of each track
[18:39] <Bill> Cool, Nick, I'll try it ... too bad my sound card just shat the bed.
[18:40] <Harry_Redd> Playing the Teheme.
[18:40] <Harry_Redd> Good stuff!
[18:42] <Bill> Frank. I was going to send you the Apillo-XIII lyrics, did I ever get around to finding those for you?
[18:43] <Harry_Redd> Nope, not lately.
[18:43] <Bill> ^APOLLO^
[18:43] <Bill> Sorry, U just washed my hands and can't do a *thing* with them ...
[18:43] <Harry_Redd> Understood.
[18:44] <Bill> ^I^ ... see what I mean?
[18:44] <Harry_Redd> Pain meds time for me.
[18:44] <Bill> Lucky you, maybe?
[18:44] <Harry_Redd> I really don't like taking Medications. I hate to be tied to pills.
[18:45] <Lensman> "A Pillow 13" I think that's a different song...
[18:45] <Harry_Redd> A needle would be worse, but also the next step if the pain gets much worse.
[18:45] <Bill> I want to post this to the world before I can't ... who remembers "Star Trek: Voyager"?
[18:46] <senax> I try not to
[18:46] <Harry_Redd> The motionless picture? Me!
[18:46] <Lensman> I've discovered when it comes to
[18:46] <Fred> 07TMP was way way way better than Voyager
[18:46] <Lensman> to filk songs, NOT all info is contained on the Internet!
[18:47] <Harry_Redd> Oh, THAT one! It had it's moments, but I called it ST 90210.
[18:47] <senax> Thanks for the link, Nick. What I've heard so far sounds pretty good.
[18:47] <Lensman> I've done a lot of searching for "You Picked a Fine Time to Leave Me, Faye Wray". Nada.
[18:48] <Bill> Do you mind my posting my smarmy lyrics to "Voyager"s" theme?
[18:48] <Harry_Redd> :-) I sing that one... It's a cross over favorate!
[18:48] <Harry_Redd> Not at all Lens.
[18:49] <Lensman> Who was that question addressed to, Bill?
[18:49] <Bill> Anyone listening, Dave.
[18:50] <Lensman> So long as the lyrics don't contain any words that used to be called "unprintable" I'd be happy to do so.
[18:52] <Lensman> I call it "The Motionless Picture" too. Altho I'm enuff of a geek to have the Special Edition DVD. It really is an improvement, but only by 1/2 a star (out of four).
[18:52] <Harry_Redd> Those "unprintable" words are part of the language and prevelent in RAP music Lens. it shouldn't matter.
[18:52] <Fred> 07I didn't care for the SE DVD, but then I worked on it
[18:52] <Fred> 07they were too busy making it 'theirs' and not making it 'good'
[18:53] <Lensman> Were you on the CGI team, or did you do some menus, or what?
[18:53] <Fred> 07and if you don't want 'unprintable' lyrics, then you don't want my words to the theme from Star Trek Enterprise :)
[18:53] <Fred> 07CGI team.
[18:54] <senax> Lol. If you don't want 'unprintable', don't ask me my opinion of Enterprise.
[18:55] <Lensman> I second Senax' opinion :)
[18:56] <Harry_Redd> Some of that Serenity music is PAINFUL!
[18:56] <NickE> OK. big news in. Jos Whedon is no longer doing Wonder Woman!!! http://whedonesque.com/comments/12385
[18:56] <Harry_Redd> OOPS Firefly!
[18:56] <NickE> Joss
[18:56] <Fred> 07really?
[18:57] <Harry_Redd> Bad choices for Femal Vocals in some cases.
[18:57] <NickE> Well, yeah, teh Lich King Reavers track is an ear bleeder :-)
[18:57] <NickE> Raelly
[18:57] <Bill> I'd be interested in the "Enterprise" lyrics. And always interested in Wonder Woman!
[18:57] <NickE> really
[18:57] <NickE> Word from Joss his own self
[18:58] <Harry_Redd> I tend to trust Joss
[18:58] <Bill> Let me see if I can paste a post ... Voyager a la smarm ...
[18:58] <Bill> (Have you heard ...? Have you heard any word...?)
[18:58] <NickE> Oh i thought most of it was pretty good Frank. i love Sheena Harden's voice (2 tracks)
[18:59] <Fred> 07Okay, Joss, GO MAKE SOME BUFFYVERSE STUFF
[18:59] <Lensman> Did I hear Whedon was gonna do a radical reinterpretation of our favorite Amazon, or am I thinking of something else?
[18:59] <Harry_Redd> http://media.libsyn.com/media/thesignal/04-Springbok-In_My_Sky_Serenity.mp3 Is a good one!
[18:59] <Fred> 07I don't think enough details of his take ever leaked out to know, Lens
[19:00] <Bill> She set sail on a sea of glist'ring star, a voyager like all of us seeking who we are.
[19:00] <Lensman> Buffy was my fave TV series, ever, but it went on one season too long. Not sure a sequel movie would have much to say.
[19:00] <Bill> She touched me and my life was filled with light, and I wonder where she's voyaging tonight.
[19:00] <Fred> 07I'd say it went 2 seasons 2 long
[19:00] <Bill> My heart's a beacon burning brightly to guide her through her peril, and to my side,
[19:00] <Fred> 07But Angel's still fighting the good fight
[19:00] <NickE> Yes, Sheena has a cracking voice!
[19:01] <Bill> And come one day, I'll gaze at those stars and see that my voyager is coming home to me.
[19:01] <Bill> (Have you heard *any* word ...?)
[19:01] <Fred> 07They were supposed to, at one point, make 4 TV movies centered around whichever Buffyverse actors they could get
[19:01] <Fred> 07Probably Angel, Spike, Faith, and one other
[19:02] <Harry_Redd> I'd give a pretty to see an othe FIREFLY movie!
[19:02] <NickE> "Season 8" Buffy is going to be the next Dark Horse Buffy comic
[19:02] <Fred> 07Joss says there won't be another Firefly movie, but who knows, the DVDs are still best sellers
[19:03] <Fred> 07yeah, nick, and there's supposed to be an in continuity Angel comic that picks up where the series ended, but I've never seen it
[19:03] <NickE> That's what we're trying to do at The Signal (campaigning for moer Firefly/movies comics whatever
[19:03] <Harry_Redd> http://media.libsyn.com/media/thesignal/06-Sharon_Bee-Reel_Violin_Only.mp3 ROCKS!
[19:03] <Bill> All I've ever seen is "Serenity", but it was very cool.
[19:03] <NickE> Thats from teh audio drama Old Wounds which is pretty good
[19:03] <Fred> 07Angel and Willow are still the only castmembers with regular gigs
[19:04] <senax> I agree Frank, I like that track.
[19:04] <Harry_Redd> Bill ask Sene if he has the series up on FTP. It's worth taking all night to D-Load each episode!
[19:04] <growler> Xander has a regular gig too now.
[19:04] <Fred> 07on what?
[19:05] <Harry_Redd> DIALUP.
[19:05] <NickE> If we ever get more proper Joss generated Firefly/Serenity it'll be a while, but I haven't given up (apart from the upcoming comics this year)
[19:05] <growler> Haven't watched it, it's a comedy/drama about a kitchen
[19:05] <Fred> 07lol
[19:05] <Harry_Redd> Now that I have Broadband, I LOVE IT!
[19:05] <Fred> 07that was cancelled instantly
[19:05] <Fred> 07only ran about 4 episodes
[19:05] <Bill> Frank, Sean is too busy to do it. I understand completely, I'd probably be to busy to watch it between now and RadCon.
[19:05] <Fred> 07Kitchen Confidential
[19:05] <growler> oh, well, it's showing here now - I guess they made more episodes and osld it into other markets
[19:06] <Fred> 07Besides, we have a Xander spare if we ever need him :)
[19:06] <growler> ?
[19:06] <Fred> 07His twin brother
[19:06] <growler> I reckon a good story could be told about xander on his own
[19:06] <Harry_Redd> He might have it up already.
[19:07] <Fred> 07to quote Louis Wu when they chopped off Nessus' head "wait a minute -- he's got a spare!"
[19:07] <growler> I suddenly have this vision of xander in a post apocaclytic world
[19:07] <NickE> :-)
[19:07] <Fred> 07all he needs is an eyepatch . . .
[19:07] <NickE> Yar har!
[19:08] <Bill> LOL!
[19:08] <Harry_Redd> Aye!
[19:08] <Fred> 07Cordy, Wes, and Anya are sorta dead, but everybody else is still out there
[19:09] <Bill> Pirate keyboard ... "R" "/" "\" <ESC>
[19:09] <Fred> 07The next season of ANGEL was gonna feature Fred remerging from Illyria, with a Clark Kent/Superman identity thing going on
[19:09] <Lensman> Was Anya killed off on Angel?
[19:09] <NickE> I think given the right circumstances, anything's possible. Joss hasn't finished thinking about the buffyverse or the Firefly 'Verse yet
[19:10] <Fred> 07Anya was killed in the Buffy finale
[19:10] <Fred> 07Unless, like me, you don't acknowlege the last two seasons of Buffy, in which case she's just fine :)
[19:10] <Lensman> Hmmm, how quickly we forget :(
[19:11] <NickE> Well i kinda like the last 2, but still think S5 would have been a decent end (best season IMO)
[19:11] <Lensman> Like me not acknowleging Alien^3 and 4. Just a couple of nightmares Ripley had on her way back to earth with her True Love and her adopted kid.
[19:11] <Bill> Jeez, you guys with TV ... it ain't like that out here in the sticks.
[19:11] <senax> Amen lens
[19:11] <growler> Joss has said he's done with Firefly - put his heart into it, capped it with Serenity and can't go back anymore.
[19:12] <NickE> agreed (not hat Joss had Anything to do with #4 :-)
[19:12] <senax> AVP was a bad idea that never should have been greenlighted either
[19:12] <Harry_Redd> I'd like to hear a full length (3 min+) version of this: The Ballad of Serenity (instrumental) http://media.libsyn.com/media/thesignal/18-Greg_Edmonson-The_Ballad_of_Serenity_Instrumental.mp3
[19:12] <Lensman> I don't even consider AVP. Just a video game movie.
[19:12] <growler> Never much liked Angel, always seemed to be, well, a dead man walking.
[19:12] <Harry_Redd> Any news on HALO?
[19:12] <NickE> Difficult, The actual Ballard of serenity is 52 seconds
[19:13] <Fred> 07It looks like only 5 episodes of KITCHEN CONFIDENTIAL were made, and only 4 aired in the USA
[19:13] <Lensman> I never got into Angel either. Too grim, not enuff of the humor that was part of Buffy.
[19:13] <Harry_Redd> I know, Perhaps a REALLY HEP Group[ could Jam on it though.
[19:13] <NickE> Mals Song is an expansion of teh original
[19:13] <Fred> 07Yes, Lens, I don't acknowlege Alien Cubed either
[19:14] <Harry_Redd> Lo9ading now.
[19:14] <Fred> 07or Superman Returns. Gah.
[19:15] <NickE> (I liked it...sorry. But I did just get the original Chris Reeve one on DVD at last)
[19:15] <Harry_Redd> I'd like to hear it full length as an instrumental... It could Kick ass on the Country charts. ;-)
[19:15] <senax> Instrumentals rarely chart though...
[19:15] <Fred> 07btw, AVP2 comes out this year
[19:15] <Bill> Superman Returns was a waste of a good dollar at the local dollar store.
[19:16] <Lensman> What is it you find so objectionable about Superman Returns? I had a problem with their treatment of kryptonite, and their replacements for Chris Reeve and Margo Kidder were pretty much non-entities, but I didn't find anything to *hate* about it.
[19:16] <senax> ...last example I can remember is Eric Johnson's "Cliffs of Dover".
[19:16] <Fred> 07Bill, you liked Superman Returns a LOT more than I did
[19:16] <Lensman> And I liked it a lot better than Bill.
[19:17] <Harry_Redd> IK didn't bother.
[19:17] <Fred> 07Lens, I hated every minute of it. The casting, the costumes, the writing, the direction, the fx. Everything.
[19:17] <Harry_Redd> I won't waste my money on junk.
[19:17] <Fred> 07Like, why does youngg Clark wear glasses in the flashback?
[19:17] <Fred> 07young Clark never wore glasses.
[19:17] <NickE> fair point
[19:17] <Lensman> I'll admit I did find it constantly irritating they darkened the red on Supe's costume. No good reason, the original movie version was fine.
[19:18] <Harry_Redd> I DO want THE GOOD SHEPARD, FLAGS OF MY FATHERS and LETTERS FROM IWOJIMA though. Eastwood is a Kick Ass director.
[19:18] <Fred> 07and it can't be to make him look more like OLD clark in the framing sequence, because OLD clark isn't wearing glasses either!!
[19:18] <Lensman> Oh well that was another mistake, showing Clark learning to fly. Nope, he never did until he went to the Fortress of Solitide in the first movie.
[19:18] <senax> Agree on Eastwood Frank. Watched Sudden Impact a couple days ago. Not one of his best, but quite entertaining.
[19:19] <Bill> How about this, Lens ... Kal-El manages to have a child? This is distinctly *not* canon ... and read Larry's put on it, there are lots of problems. The special effects were pretty, yes ... but mostly nonsensical.
[19:19] <Fred> 07Yes, I hated the color, and the S on the belt, and the angled belt loops pointing to his crotch, and the lack of a S on the cape, and the tiny Ss all over the blue that you can't even see
[19:19] <Lensman> Letters from Iwo Jima was well done, yah.
[19:19] <Fred> 07And Kal-El has a child 5 years ago with a woman that's like 22 now
[19:19] <Lensman> The
[19:19] <Bill> You asked ... do I need to go into specifics?
[19:19] <Fred> 07let's not do the math on that
[19:19] <Fred> 07and I hated creepy stalker clark
[19:20] <Harry_Redd> Don't you mean Clark Bent?
[19:20] <Fred> 07and why does the seaplane turn around and go back for him? They don't know he's in trouble.
[19:20] <Fred> 07unless Lois is WATCHING THE MOVIE WITH US
[19:20] <Fred> 07a LOT of the movie is like that
[19:20] <Lensman> The S's on the belt and molded into the boots were bizarre-- totally unnecessary, they added nothing. In fact the ones on the boots couldn't be seen.
[19:21] <NickE> <lalalalala..not listening ;-) >
[19:21] <Fred> 07How come Superman forgot to rescue lois in the first place? He was flying out to save her from the yacht, and they just FORGOT about it, and had Perry's nephew save her instead.
[19:22] <Fred> 07And why, when you KNOW the guy is solar powered, don't you put him in the freaking HOSPITAL SOLARIUM to recover?
[19:22] <Lensman> Obviously I didn't pay as much attention to the continuity as Fred did.
[19:22] <NickE> Me either
[19:22] <Fred> 07see, that's the problem Lens. the movie so totally failed to engage me, that stuff like that was all I could thing about
[19:22] <NickE> honestly didn't notice the lack of an S on the cape!
[19:23] <Fred> 07of course it lost me 3 minutes in when they had the saturn planet with a horizontal and a vertical ring . . .
[19:23] <Lensman> See, now, *I* should never be allowed to watch any movie involving orbital mechanics. I'm getting the impression Fred should never be allowed to watch any movie at all... :)
[19:23] <Fred> 07Nick, Brian Singer took the S off the cape because he said you'd never be able to see what it was
[19:24] <senax> Not any movie involving one of his favorite comics anyway! :-)
[19:24] <Fred> 07too bad the S on the cape has been working in movies for, what, 60 years/
[19:24] <NickE> Whatever the detials, I was fairly succesfully transported back to 1978 when I went to the cinema 6 times to see the original. Sucker me ;-)
[19:24] <Fred> 07now, BATMAN BEGINS rocked
[19:25] <NickE> No argument there. Better film
[19:25] <Lensman> Is it only comic book movies that leave Fred foaming at the mouth? :) I thought there was some Trek movie or series, too.
[19:25] <Fred> 07Katie Holmes just bowed out of the sequel
[19:25] <growler> I personally think the first Spiderman is the best comic book super-hero movie - though I have rabid Spidey fan freinds who diss it.
[19:25] <Bill> Wrong, Lens ... they should simply have never tried to remake a classic, and certainly not with an inept director. That's the whole point ... WHAT WAS THE POINT?? They didn't "improve" anything and they screwed a bunch of stuff up unneccessarily.
[19:25] <senax> Batman Begins was good..who directed that? Aronofsky?
[19:25] <Fred> 07badly made movies leave Fred foaming at the mouth
[19:25] <Fred> 07:)
[19:26] <growler> Singer did a good job with X-Men 2
[19:26] <NickE> Yes. 3 on teh other hand blew goats
[19:26] <Fred> 07batman begins was directed by Christopher Nolan
[19:26] <growler> Concur.
[19:27] <Fred> 07X3 is really odd
[19:27] <Harry_Redd> No matter how good the cast is, they can not make up for bad scripts.
[19:27] <senax> Hmm...where'd I get Aronofsky? Was he offered the project or something?
[19:27] <Fred> 07how come it turned to night just in time for the last 3rd of the movie?
[19:27] <Lensman> I guess I'm the "odd man out" in not caring much for Batman Begins. The Batman *I* know wouln't take 20 minutes to lose the cops, and doesn't drive a military vehicle for a batmobile-- with no bat logo anywhere!-- and doesn't fight a so-called "supervillain" who's just a psychiatrist who puts a gunny sack over his head.
[19:27] <Fred> 07the scarecrow is right out of the comics
[19:28] <Fred> 07as is Ras Al Ghul
[19:28] <NickE> Always one of my fav villains
[19:28] <Fred> 07I missed Talia
[19:28] <Harry_Redd> Batman's motto: Screw up on my streets and you gonna bleed on them.
[19:28] <Bill> Scarecrow and Raz Al Ghul are canon.
[19:28] <Fred> 07And I'd have cast David Warner as Ra's :)
[19:29] <NickE> Though not sure about the Son Of The Demon continuity that they've brout back in (what , Bats has to have a son as well?!)
[19:29] <NickE> david was *perfect* in BTAS
[19:29] <Bill> Oooh, sweet idea, Fred. But it worked as is.
[19:29] <Lensman> Ras al Ghul was done quite well. The Scarecrow I know is capable of fighting physically, wears a big floppy hat and otherwise has a full scarecrow costume, not just a gunny sack mask. And he's not a nerd wimp, either.
[19:29] <Fred> 07I think the son's continuity varies depending on who's writing it
[19:29] <Harry_Redd> I thought he and Robin had a thing going? (Ducks)
[19:29] <Fred> 07Bill, yes, Liam was great.
[19:29] <senax> Ah...Aronofsky is on tap for "Batman: Year One". Or was.
[19:30] <NickE> It's in the current comics
[19:30] <Fred> 07harry's talking the schumuker films
[19:30] <Fred> 07I think we can ALL disavow those :)
[19:30] <NickE> er no argument here <shudder>
[19:30] <Lensman> "Yes, Dick and I live alone in this mansion and wear rubber suits with molded-in nipples. But we're just good friends."
[19:30] <NickE> LOL
[19:31] <NickE> cue gratuitous butt shot
[19:31] <senax> Lol. Agree. "Not that there's anything wrong with that."
[19:31] <Harry_Redd> The original comics. They were always in dressing gowns unlees "OUT" or fighting crime.
[19:31] <Bill> ROTFL
[19:31] <senax> ambiguously gay dynamic duo indeed.
[19:31] <Lensman> Oh I liked all the gratuitous butt shots... of Alicia Silverstone in *her* skintight suit. Yum!
[19:32] <Fred> 07reminds me of when they asked one of the DREAMWORKS animators why they drew naked male buttocks into every movie
[19:32] <Bill> Hey, Trek Vet Batgirl (seniou moment) was hot in hers, too ...
[19:32] <Fred> 07he said "management won't LET us draw female buttocks"
[19:32] <Fred> 07Yvonne Craig
[19:33] <Fred> 07still, the hottest Batgirl is Dina Meyer
[19:33] <Lensman> I far prefer to fantisize about Alica, but to each his own.
[19:33] <Bill> Thank you, yes ... Yvonne gave me a few sleepless nights
[19:33] <Bill> Lens, you must just be a kid.
[19:33] <NickE> OK, getting into sticky territory now..but yes Yvonne was hot
[19:33] <Harry_Redd> he said "management won't LET us draw female buttocks" Now we know how Management gets it's kicks!
[19:33] <Fred> 07I saw Alicia on Leno saying how cat and dog food is made from kitties and puppies, 'cause it has pictures of them right on the can
[19:34] <Fred> 07They actually had to cut away to a commercial, Jay was so horrified
[19:34] <Fred> 07that was pretty much it for her for me :)
[19:34] <Harry_Redd> She obviously has a sense of humor then.
[19:34] <Fred> 07no
[19:34] <Fred> 07she was DEADLY serious
[19:34] <Fred> 07she's a militant vegan or something
[19:34] <NickE> paris Hilton dumb, wow
[19:35] <Fred> 07of the school that says they grind up stray cats to make cat food
[19:35] <Fred> 07"paris hilton dumb" -- well phrased :)
[19:35] <Lensman> I try not to let the actors' offscreen lives interfere with my enjoyment of their performances. Darryl Hannah didn't exactly come across as a Mensa candidate when I saw her on a talk show, either-- which doesn't at all interfere with me enjoying her role in "Blade Runner".
[19:35] <Bill> Wasn't it Mariah Carey that came up with, "Well, I'd love to be skinny like all those Africans but I wouldn't like the flies and stuff...?"
[19:35] <Harry_Redd> Like Madonna. She'll be a great Star if her back holds out.
[19:36] <Fred> 07Yeah, I have a threshhold. Alicia just fell below it.
[19:36] <Bill> Ellison: "Even cockroaches have a nausea threshhold..."
[19:37] <Fred> 07same notation for Gwyenth Paltrow
[19:37] <Lensman> Ouch
[19:37] <Fred> 07they were mocking her on the SOUP last night
[19:37] <Fred> 07she was blathering about how Lindsay Lohan needs to get her act together
[19:37] <Fred> 07and the host says "yeah, get her act together enough to name her kid 'apple'"
[19:38] <Fred> 07:)
[19:38] <Bill> Who? Alicia badmouthing Lindsay?
[19:38] <Fred> 07Gwenth
[19:38] <Fred> 07badmouthing Lindsay
[19:38] <NickE> who
[19:40] <Bill> So the blonde walking down the street sees another blonde in the middle of a grassy park in a rowboat, pulling on the oars like crazy.
[19:41] <Lensman> Oh darn, I've missed most of the
[19:41] <Lensman> "Hawking" drama on the Science Channel. Well I spoze they'll show it again.
[19:41] <Bill> She yells at her, "You're making all of us look dumb! I'd come over there and smack you, if I knew how to swim!"
[19:42] <senax> Hee hee
[19:42] <Fred> 07lol
[19:43] <senax> Did you hear about the blonde couple who froze to death at the drive-in theater?
[19:43] <Bill> There are times I miss TV ... who's playing Hawking?
[19:43] <NickE> :-0
[19:43] <senax> They went to see "Closed for the Winter".
[19:44] <Fred> 07Did you see the very thinly disguised Stephen Hawking character on Law & Order?
[19:44] <Lensman> The ventriloquist was onstage, and the dummy started up with "The blone was so dumb..." when one of the patrons, a platinum blonde, stood up and yelled "Hey! We're tired of all these blonde jokes! We're just as smart as anyone else!" The ventriloquist replied "Madam, I'm terribly sorry..." The blonde interrupted "You keep out of this! I was talking to the little guy on your knee!"
[19:45] <Lensman> Doesn't say. Probably an unknown.
[19:46] <Lensman> Yah, I saw that L&O episode.
[19:47] <Bill> I have three books in French called "Blondes" (tome 1, 2, and 3) and they are ROTFL hilarious --- Gaby & Dzack are the artists. Hilarious, sexy ... unfortunately some of the puns require some rudimentary knowledge of French or European culture and wouldn't translate, but a lot of them are self-explanatory.
[19:47] <Lensman> But I understand *most* L&O plots are taken from real newspaper stories.
[19:47] <Fred> 07steven hawking, cold blooded killer. what a concept :)
[19:47] <Lensman> Yah, I was appalled at Hawking being a killer.
[19:48] <Fred> 07Dawn from Buffy was on L&O recently too, and got away with murder
[19:48] <Lensman> I *did* enjoy Hawking's puckish first appearance on ST Next Gen. "Wrong again, Albert." <g>
[19:48] <Bill> "Your honor, we found tire tread marks all over the victim, AND THEY MATCH ...!"
[19:49] <senax> http://www.mchawking.com/ for anyone who hasn't seen/heard him before.
[19:49] <Lensman> This "Hawking" drama is him as a young man, I think college age.
[19:49] <Bill> I'm rereading "A Brief History Of Time" as we speak ... well, not this very moment ...
[19:51] <Harry_Redd> I still LOVE ASTRIX the Gaul.
[19:51] <Lensman> Doesn't Hawking have a new book coming out? I think _Brief History_ is the only book I have by him. I thought it was quite accessible, but someone else told me that only about half of it is, the other half you need to have a pretty good grounding in cosmology to understand.
[19:51] <Bill> Asterix and Obelix! Very similar artistic style, Felix!
[19:52] <Harry_Redd> Yeah and FUNNY!
[19:52] <Lensman> I have 2-3 volumes of Asterix... how did we get on this subject?
[19:52] <Harry_Redd> Bill mentioned French Comix...
[19:53] <Lensman> But I have the entire run of "The Adventures of Tintin", including two small-press editions of his first two adventures which were never done by Little, Brown & Co.
[19:53] <Harry_Redd> The one where Astrix take on Roman Beaurocracy has to be one of my favorates.
[19:53] <Bill> Somebody brought up blonde jokes ...
[19:53] <senax> Lens, I've heard complaints about "A Brief History Of Time" being difficult, but I had no trouble the first time I read it, knowing no more cosmology than the typical hard SF fan.
[19:54] <Harry_Redd> Bill, What do you call a Redhead walking between a Bruntte and a Blond?
[19:54] <Fred> 07I made the mistake of keeping "Brief History" on my nightstand, and trying to read a chapter as I went to sleep
[19:54] <Bill> A translator?
[19:54] <Fred> 07turned out it needs more attention than that :)
[19:54] <Harry_Redd> You got it! ;-)
[19:54] <Lensman> LOL translator
[19:55] <senax> Why was the blonde staring intently at the frozen orange juice?
[19:55] <Bill> Concentrate ...concentrate
[19:55] <Harry_Redd> Brief History is one of those books that I read 3 times... A week between finish and start. It needs a LOT of digesting.
[19:55] <senax> yup
[19:55] <Lensman> I should re-read my copy, yah.
[19:56] <senax> I'll have to reread mine some time.
[19:56] <NickE> Well, nearly 1am here. gonna hit the hay, Been much fun. Ed was very obliging and interesting. Enjoyed hanging with you guys as always. Gotta catch up on the list...tomorrow!
[19:56] <Harry_Redd> There's a LOT of stuff to think about there.
[19:56] <Fred> 07night nick
[19:56] <Lensman> G'nite Nick
[19:56] <Fred> 07or, Nick Knight
[19:56] <NickE> TTFN all
[19:56] <NickE> :-)
[19:56] <senax> by enick
[19:57] <Harry_Redd> Have a good one Nick.
[19:57] <Fred> 076pm here. Gotta cook mom some dinner
[19:57] <Fred> 07au jus gentlemen
[19:57] <NickE> You too. Bed now
[19:57] * NickE has quit IRC
[19:57] <Bill> Try keeping up with the likes of Gerald Nordley ... I just got my fifth (of five) stories regarding "The Black Hole Project" from Analog ... lemme tell ya, this guy is tough to illustrate. Heavy duty physics!
[19:57] * Fred has quit IRC (Quit: *g0ne*)
[19:58] <Harry_Redd> I should get a Suibscription ... I just might be able to afford it.
[19:59] <Bill> Good luck, I haven't seen contributor's copies (or checks) for a while.
[19:59] <Harry_Redd> Oh My! http://www.analogsf.com/0607/interstellar.shtml By Ed Lerner!
[20:00] <Harry_Redd> maybe you will after I subscribe?
[20:00] <Bill> Some of that is my fault ... I'm happier to do the work than submit bills to Stan Schmidt.
[20:00] <Harry_Redd> Get your ass in gear then!
[20:01] <Lensman> Reminds me of the story about a school girl in art class who handed her teacher a blank piece of white paper. "What's this?" the teacher asked. "It's a picture of a cat drinking from a glass bowl of milk." "Well, shouldn't there be a line inside the bowl showing where the milk is?" "Oh, the cat drank it all." "Well, then, where is the cat?" "You don't think the cat would stay around after the milk is gone, do you?"
[20:01] <Lensman> So, Bill, what you do is send your editor a piece of black paper...
[20:02] <Bill> Yeah, yeah, after I finish creating art for Radcon and a lady with a chocolate industry in Seattle ... creating is so much better than billing, I hate paperwork & need a manager.
[20:03] <Harry_Redd> I might be able to help you Bill. Actually, what you need is an E-Mail form to fill out for bill submittion.
[20:05] <Bill> Dave, Frank, you saw "Speaker Hits The Brakes " ... am I just blowing it out my ass, or could I be doing better than starving?
[20:05] <growler> I hate the idea of being required to be creative to demand
[20:06] <Bill> It's a bitch, Growler ... but so is any job.
[20:06] <growler> "find a job that you love, and you'll never work a day in your life."
[20:06] <Harry_Redd> Yoou could Bill. You are VERY good. But need a touch of direction and Administrative help.
[20:07] <Bill> Is that an offer, Felix?
[20:07] <growler> I try really hard to automate everyting in my life - and I just throw the paperwork in a box and forget it
[20:07] <Lensman> I think it's an excellent painting, Bill, but I have no idea how that translates into earning a living full-time. I do know from reading authors' forums that you can't expect to earn substantially more as a full-time author than you were as a part-time author, at least not for some years. So the lesson there is "don't quit your day job" unless you're already getting a substantial income from your art.
[20:07] <Harry_Redd> I wish I could afford to do it Bill. Unfortunatly, I am involved in a long term (18 months or better) Project.
[20:07] <Bill> Hear hear! Growler and I have the same filing system! (I like this guy ...)
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[20:09] <Harry_Redd> YOu might contact Laura Fraes about getting art submitted to some of the galleries. She's good at that!
[20:09] * growler has joined #knownspace
[20:09] <Bill> Was it my breath??
[20:09] <growler> Oops, wrong button
[20:09] <Harry_Redd> WB
[20:10] <Lensman> Bill, are there not artist agents as there are author agents? Surely with your publishing record on _Analog_ you'd have no trouble with your credentials.
[20:11] <Harry_Redd> That's why I told him to contact Laura. Anyway, she knows him and that helps.
[20:11] <Harry_Redd> YOu might contact Laura Fraes about getting art submitted to some of the galleries. She's good at that!
[20:11] <Bill> Much to my shame, I haven't been in touch with Laura since Kelly died ... at first it was Joy demanding time, eventually it bacame embarrassment that I hadn't for so long, now I'm trapped in not knowing what to say. Kelly's passing took my heart out and I don't think I've ever recovered.
[20:12] <Harry_Redd> Tell her that Bill. She has great empathy!
[20:13] <Lensman> What Harry said.
[20:13] <Bill> I know she does ... I still wear her rabbit ... but I've lost touch.
[20:13] <Lensman> Which means what? You don't have her address or phone #?
[20:14] <Bill> All of the above...
[20:15] <Lensman> I'll e-mail you the contact info I have from a few years back. Dunno if she's still living there.
[20:15] <Lensman> But I
[20:15] <Lensman> But I'll bet I can find out thru Ken Keller and/or Alex Eisenstein.
[20:16] * Flying_Away is now known as FlyingDragon
[20:16] <Harry_Redd> I don't know if this is still good, but try it anyway: kfreasstudio@earthlink.net
[20:16] <FlyingDragon> Hello. Still here I see,
[20:16] <Harry_Redd> Hi Carol. WB.
[20:16] <Lensman> Hello Carol.
[20:16] <Bill> I couldn't even be talking about this to you guys if I weren't in pain, slightly snockered and taking night-time pain pills ... sorry if I'm a bit out of sorts.
[20:17] <Lensman> I'm not gonna post any contact info here, as this chat will be linked at Ed Lerner's site. But as I say, I'll e-mail you.
[20:17] <FlyingDragon> ty
[20:17] <Lensman> What means "ty" ?
[20:17] <FlyingDragon> Bill, how about you say to Laura " Kelly's passing took my heart out and I don't think I've ever recovered."
[20:17] <FlyingDragon> Thank You
[20:18] <Lensman> Oh! TY!
[20:18] <FlyingDragon> People welcomed me back, I thought it polite to give thanks.
[20:18] <FlyingDragon> I appreciate it when people appreciate me, so I want others to feel appreciated.
[20:19] <Bill> Hi, Carol. We're commiserating over my inability to keep in touch with spouses of departed friends and other general irresponsibility.
[20:20] <FlyingDragon> Yes, I noticed. My opinion is that she will alwasy appreciate you contacting her, even after years, and to explain your feelings in the way you explained them to us.
[20:20] <Bill> FYI, you are appreciated, FD.
[20:20] <FlyingDragon> TY!!! I enjoy your company too!!!!
[20:21] <FlyingDragon> I have detractors, well, at least one who spreads her hatered to at least one other. One person poisons so much, I appreaciate other people giving me back positive feedback.
[20:24] <FlyingDragon> What does that mean "I still wear her rabbit ."?
[20:25] <Lensman> I agree, if you explain exactly as you've explained to us then I think she'll understand.
[20:26] <FlyingDragon> She probably would love to hear stories about her late husband that only YOU could tell her.
[20:26] <Lensman> I enjoyed reading your story Carol. If it were me I'd have gotten quite a thrill out of Larry actually incorporating ideas from that into Known Space!
[20:27] <Lensman> The quality of writing was significantly better than most fanfic I've read, too.
[20:27] <FlyingDragon> Thank you. Did he?
[20:27] <FlyingDragon> Thank you. Ted helped a lot.
[20:28] <Lensman> Didn't he? When was that story finished? Before _Ringworld Engineers_ or after?
[20:28] <FlyingDragon> AFter RWE
[20:29] <Bill> There was a Norwescon that happened over an Easter weekend and Kelly and Laura were there. I got suckered into buying a top hat from one of my favorite models, Joanne Kirley.
[20:29] <FlyingDragon> I did try to make it fit with canon, before it was written. I read part of ADG, and it pissed me off. I don't know if my, our, story is consistant with ADG. Canon is just stuff LARRY wrote.
[20:29] <Lensman> Oh, sorry I'm confused, I thought the reconning of Puppeteer reproduction was inspired by your story.
[20:29] <FlyingDragon> You say a LOT abuot yourself by admitting you like it. You have to be a little WEIRD to like it, don't you think?
[20:30] <FlyingDragon> There was retconning of their reproduction?
[20:30] <Bill> When I came out of the dealer's room, somebody stopped me and said, "Heym BilL! Mad Hatter! Good look for you!
[20:31] <Lensman> Yah I think you'd have to be weird to enjoy *all* parts of the story. Some of it made me squirm a bit, but I can still admire skillful writing when I see it.
[20:31] <Bill> I said, "No, not Mad Hatter, and got about ten feet farther and got "Hey, Bill ... Mad Hatter...!"
[20:31] <FlyingDragon> I was at a con with Larry one, and I asked him "If puppetters eat thier way out like digger wasps, doens't that make them not herbivores?" He looked at me for a moment, and said "No one has ever asked me that before." I decided soon there after to write a story that was consistant with canon, and where they did not eat their way out.
[20:32] <Harry_Redd> Bill, did you see my PM?
[20:32] <Lensman> Oh sure. In _Ringworld_ Nessus said their species has three sexes, including two "male" sexes. In _Ringworld Engineers_ Hindmost says the "mother" species doesn't share any genetic material during reproduction-- it's a separate species, unlike what's said in Ringworld.
[20:33] <Bill> This happened about six times until I ran into a friend from Cananadanada on the stairs, he said "Hey Bill ..." and I said "Don't tell me, Mad Hatter -- right?"
[20:33] <senax> I read the story a few years back. I was kinda torn between liking it and, I guess, being a bit grossed out. It was well written, though.
[20:33] <Harry_Redd> Hmm, Carol, Chicks have an "egg Tooth" to break their way through the shell...
[20:33] <FlyingDragon> Bill, good story.
[20:33] <Harry_Redd> Something similar perhaps? (UGLY image though)
[20:34] <FlyingDragon> Senax, ty for your comments. So, you aren't THAT weird, certainly not as weird as me? LOL
[20:34] <Bill> He looked at me and said, "Well, that fits, but it wasn't what I was going to say." OK, he had my attention.
[20:34] <Harry_Redd> :-) Bill.
[20:34] <Lensman> Carol, I remembered you saying something to the effect that Larry thought your story had-- I can't remember just how you put it-- caused him to think about Puppeteer reproduction in a different way, or something like that-- can't remember just what it was you said. So that's why I jumped to the conclusion your story had inspired the retconning.
[20:35] <FlyingDragon> Redd, certainly sharp teeth could be lost and herbavore flat teeth come in, or the host could just DIE....
[20:35] <FlyingDragon> In what book was it retconned????
[20:35] <senax> It's nice to have people who I'm not weirder than (no offense meant). One thing I appreciate about fandom.
[20:35] <FlyingDragon> Maybe I missed something.
[20:35] <Bill> Then he said, "It needs something..." and he reached into his big con bag and pulled out a huge chocolate Easter bunny.
[20:35] <Harry_Redd> Or perhaps Claws that shed off?
[20:35] <FlyingDragon> Sometimes, Larry's ideas are so familiar from talking about them HERE, that I can't figure out when the first time I ever heard something was....
[20:36] <FlyingDragon> Bill, REAL funny..... (finished? It just keeps getting better.)
[20:36] <FlyingDragon> Redd, good one.
[20:36] <Harry_Redd> Agreed Carol.
[20:37] <FlyingDragon> I suppose little PP hooves could easily be sharp enough to kick their way through. They could be almost needle sharp, then flatten and thicken in a couple days of infant hood.
[20:37] <senax> ugh.
[20:37] <FlyingDragon> I've read chicks don't need to eat for three says after being hatched. PPs maybe don't need to walk or eat for a similar period.
[20:37] <Bill> Well, I about died laughing, accepted his bunny, and went to lunch with Kelly and Laura. I related the story and as the punchline pulled a rabbit out of my hat ... a bit melted, and I had chocolate in my hair, but the point was made.
[20:38] <Harry_Redd> Hmmm. Like you NEVER try to stand an infant on it's feet because they are still forming? Yeah, that would work!
[20:39] <Harry_Redd> Watching a WIERD AL movie. FUNNY!
[20:39] <senax> UHF?
[20:39] <Harry_Redd> Yupper!
[20:39] <FlyingDragon> Senax, you don't like talking about PP repro?
[20:39] <FlyingDragon> Lensman, I see what you are saying. No, my story was writen to fit in with that description.
[20:39] <Lensman> It's specified Puppeteer hooves have claws at the tip-- re-read "The Soft Weapon" and you'll see. So perhaps the infant puppeteer doesn't need a "milk tooth" sort of thing to claw its way out. Still, as has been said, it's an ugly image. And that's what Louis thinks, too.
[20:40] <Bill> Laura excused herself for a moment while Kelly and I chatted, and she came back, grabbed my bunny and bit his ears off. I wasn't upset by this, I had hung around Ted & Jayne Sturgeon too long to be surprised by much ... but then she said "This won't do, it's melting.
[20:40] <Harry_Redd> That works!
[20:40] <FlyingDragon> PPs have two genders of male, and a "female" who reproduce among themselves. I added details.
[20:40] <senax> Carol, it's not a big deal. There are species here on Earth that do worse things...some of which probably inspired some of these ideas...
[20:41] <FlyingDragon> Bill, I'm getting it... Great story. keep going.
[20:42] <Harry_Redd> male, Female and Other? Hmmm.... Perhaps when Puppeteers started geting Gingeering, they eliminated the need for in-species childbirth.
[20:42] <Bill> So she pulled a fluffy white plush bunny from under the table that she'd seen earlier in the day in the gift shop and said, "This is what you need" ... and after Kelly and I were done gaping we all went into hysterical laughter.
[20:42] <FlyingDragon> Did you read my line I said to Larry? It is hard to catch every line when you are typing at the same time. If PPs eat their way out, then they aren't herbavores, they are vegetarian. I read up about digger wasps. WHoever had that conversation about PP reproduction with that puppetteet ASSUMED digger wasps, He wasn't told that specifically.
[20:43] <Lensman> But you've got the baby coming to term in the "mother's" stomach, then the mother regurgitating the baby when it grows big enuff. Not what's in RE... but the interesting thing is, if you read the passage carefully, it's just Louis' *interpretation* that they claw their way out like digger wasp larvae. There could be another explanation, Carol's scenario isn't impossible.
[20:43] <Lensman> LOL! Well *that* punch line was worth waiting for.
[20:43] <senax> Sorry Carol, was that question for me? The crossfire is getting pretty thick.
[20:44] <FlyingDragon> The male and the female both deposite genetic material into another. For the purposes of PP reproduction, it doesnt matter if that creature is what we think of as male or female, or the PP wouldn't say something like "The famale reproduce amound themselves."
[20:44] <FlyingDragon> Yes, Lensman, I stayed within canon.
[20:44] <senax> Yep, what they call "female" we would call "host".
[20:44] <FlyingDragon> Bill, thanks for the story. Funny that she happened to have a littel bunny for you!!!
[20:45] <FlyingDragon> yes, senan
[20:45] <Lensman> Sorry Carol, I'm having trouble keeping up too. Sorry for just repeating what you said.
[20:45] <Harry_Redd> Bill, If I saw you in a Top Hat, I'd ask you "where your White Feather and Tails were."
[20:45] <FlyingDragon> Yes. Two or more interesting conversations all at once.
[20:46] <Harry_Redd> Tha's a refrence to Stan Freeberg's UNITED STATES OF AMERICA Volume I. A Song and dance number. ;-)
[20:46] <FlyingDragon> SEnax, not sure anymore who I asked that question of! LOL
[20:46] <Bill> I still have that top hat, and on at least one occasion (when a motorcycle club pulled in and were making fun of it with, "Hey, Rocky, let's see you pull a rabbit out of your hat!" (I know, they quoted it wrong) ... but I take the hat off, reach in (bending my wrist so it looks like it's a lot deeper than it should be) and I pull out a fluffy white bunny, courtesy of Laura Freas. Ghod nose, I get a lot of mileage from that sweet gesture of hers, and it doesn
[20:46] <FlyingDragon> Redd, White feather?
[20:47] <Lensman> Harry: It's an important distinction. As Carol just said, both male and female puppeteers deposit genetic material-- sperm and egg-- inside the "mother". The female apparently uses a long ovipositor to do so, so in that sense the Puppeteers' culture veiwpoint that they have "two male sexes" is perhaps understandable, altho still biologically incorrect.
[20:47] <Harry_Redd> "Put on your TROP HAT, White Feather and tails. Make up your Faces, You Reds and you Pales." Commerating the selling of Manhatten Island. It's a very funny bit.
[20:49] <FlyingDragon> We don't know anything about PP sexual habits, except about the long detailed dances. We have no idea, cononically, who does what with who.
[20:49] <FlyingDragon> Redd, never heard of it. A fannish thing?
[20:49] <Lensman> ...how many times, or how often. :)
[20:49] <Harry_Redd> And Puppeteers Lie a lot when it's to their advantage to do so.
[20:50] <FlyingDragon> Yes. I just wanted some more details, so I wrote it!
[20:50] <Lensman> I'm having a flashback to the end of "Blazing Saddles" and the song the fey chorus boys are singing.
[20:50] <senax> Yes Frank, any puppeteer character can be considered an unreliable narrator by definition.
[20:51] <Harry_Redd> Truly... They engage in Politics!
[20:51] <senax> Engage in it? It defines their whole culture.
[20:52] <Harry_Redd> Like the Arabs... The Truth is too precious to share.
[20:52] <FlyingDragon> I didn't realize that was an arab thing.
[20:52] <senax> Reminds me of Churchill's quote.
[20:52] <FlyingDragon> listening
[20:53] <senax> that the truth must be protected by a bodyguard of lies.
[20:53] <senax> Don't have the exact quote handy.
[20:53] <Lensman> That sounds like something a politician would say all right!
[20:53] <Harry_Redd> I belive that is Joseph Stalin.
[20:54] <senax> Was is Stalin?
[20:54] <Harry_Redd> I think so.
[20:54] <senax> thought it was Churchill..have to check
[20:55] <Harry_Redd> If you find a good Quotes site, I'd like a link to it.
[20:55] <senax> It was Churchill. "In war-time, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies".
[20:55] <Bill> Churchill is the one ho came out of the shower to find Roosevelt there and nonchalantly quipped, "The british have nothing to hide from the American President" (or something like that.)
[20:55] <Lensman> In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies.
[20:55] <Lensman> Courtesy of Google, naturally.
[20:56] <Lensman> Oh I see Senax beat my time :)
[20:56] <senax> A well-respected maxim, in wartime or not, in the field of intelligence.
[20:56] <Harry_Redd> Yeah, I just found it.
[20:56] <FlyingDragon> Truth is a lady who needs protecting?
[20:56] <Lensman> Churchill has *all* the best quotes!
[20:56] <Harry_Redd> The Truth is what it is Carol. :-]
[20:56] <FlyingDragon> Well, in wartime, certain things should be secret, like troop movements, weapons....
[20:58] <Bill> The president's alleged IQ ...
[20:58] <senax> And disinformation is itself a powerful weapon.
[20:58] <Harry_Redd> And much more. Research Projects for example.
[20:58] <FlyingDragon> Watched "The Queen" When Blair first got elected, and went in for his FIRST meeting with the Queen, the first thing she said to him, in the movie, was "You are my tenth Prime Minister. My first was Churchill." She went on to say good things about him, a wise man helping out a shy young woman.
[20:58] <senax> ...as the Puppeteers well know.
[20:58] <Bill> (SORRY, SORRY)
[20:58] <Lensman> Bessie Braddock to Churchill "Winston, your drunk!"
[20:58] <Lensman> Churchill: "Bessie, you're ugly, and tomorrow morning I shall be sober"
[20:58] * FlyingDragon still laughing with Bill.
[20:59] <senax> I'll have to see that film...I like Helen Mirren.
[21:00] <Harry_Redd> I wonder if they used the "We are negoating the price" line?
[21:00] <Bill> Lens, I love that particular shutdown. It still works, don't it?
[21:00] <FlyingDragon> I enjoyed it. They did a good job of showing a Victorian woman in modern times. I like how they used historical footage incorporated into the movie.
[21:00] <Lensman> Yup, has to be one of the best catty remarks ever... and from a guy, too!
[21:01] <FlyingDragon> The movie was only about the Death of Diana, and how the crown dealt with it. It was not about Churchill.
[21:01] <Harry_Redd> A Shame... The PBS show about him left out a lot of his best lines.
[21:01] <senax> I think I just lost interest in the movie.
[21:02] <FlyingDragon> It was good, although narrow in focus.
[21:03] <Harry_Redd> My take (Ans more than a few Brits agree with me) Was that Nobody high up wanted a British Princess to marry a "Bloody WOG".
[21:03] <Lensman> Still, my favorite "comeback" line is from "Aliens":
[21:03] <FlyingDragon> The pople kept wanting more reaction from the crown, the crown kept saying that it was a private family matter. Blair kept telling her she was making a mistake, and she kept saying we will deal with this in our own way.
[21:03] <Lensman> Hudson: Hey Vasquez, have you ever been mistaken for a man?
[21:03] <Lensman> Vasquez: No, have you?
[21:03] <FlyingDragon> Funny
[21:03] <FlyingDragon> Redd, yes, I've heard people say they imagine the crown thought that. Too bad if they are really that predjudiced.
[21:04] <Lensman> Vasquez: No. Have you?
[21:04] <Harry_Redd> Humans... What can you do with them?
[21:04] <Bill> I liked Oscar Wilde's riposte with someone who I forget, he sent two tickets to some dude he was feuding with for opening night to his latest play wkith the note, "Bring a friend, if you have one."
[21:05] <Lensman> Can't live with 'em... can't eat em. (Unless you're a Kzin.)
[21:05] <FlyingDragon> I can't come opening night. Will come the next, if there is one.
[21:05] <Harry_Redd> That might have been SHAW Bill, BUt it's a good one.
[21:05] <FlyingDragon> Churchill again I think.
[21:05] <Bill> The target shot back, "Can't make opening night, I'll be there for the second show -- if there is one."
[21:05] <Lensman> Bill: That's one of my very favorie comeback lines, too!
[21:06] <FlyingDragon> BIll, sorry to steak your thunder.
[21:06] <senax> Mmm...steak...
[21:06] <Lensman> I was *thinking* that was also Churchill-- as I said, he had all the best lines!
[21:06] <FlyingDragon> Bill, unfortunatly, when it is a chat room, I can't tell if someone is typing, so I can wait for the responce.
[21:06] <Bill> STEAK ME! I can use the protein!
[21:06] <FlyingDragon> Lens :-)
[21:06] <Harry_Redd> I was once asked; "As an outsider, what do you think of the Human Race?" My reply was; "Not much if you are a prime example."
[21:06] <FlyingDragon> STEAL!!! LOL
[21:07] <Lensman> LOL! Owww!!
[21:07] <Harry_Redd> I Can be aserbic at times Carol. ;-]
[21:08] <senax> And gasperik at other times?
[21:08] <Lensman> *rimshot*
[21:09] <FlyingDragon> Okay guys. I'm afraid the I must leave your enchanting company. My lovely daughter requests my company for a rousing round of a Harry Potter board game.
[21:09] <Bill> A favorite line from Eric Idle's venture into Science Fiction ... "What's the useless piece of skin at the end of a man's penis called?"
[21:09] <Harry_Redd> Just what suits Senax.
[21:09] <Lensman> Enjoy, Carol!
[21:09] <FlyingDragon> Really, you guys don't know???????
[21:09] <Harry_Redd> Give her a hug for me Carol.
[21:09] <Bill> "A MAN!"
[21:09] <FlyingDragon> I will Redd.
[21:09] <Lensman> Oh, I know.
[21:09] <FlyingDragon> Bill, I was thinking of the other end!!!
[21:09] <FlyingDragon> LOL!!!
[21:10] <FlyingDragon> Caught me on that one!!!
[21:10] <Bill> Good night, Carol! Nice chatting with you!
[21:10] <FlyingDragon> Memo to self, always listen for teh punchline, esp if BILL is in the room!!!!
[21:10] <senax> Bye Carol.
[21:10] <FlyingDragon> Bye all. Thanks for being here.
[21:10] <Lensman> LOL! I admit I didn't see that coming.
[21:10] * FlyingDragon is now known as Flying_away
[21:12] * senax hears crickets chirping.
[21:12] <Lensman> "What's the difference between a catfish and a lawyer?" "One is a muck-eating, slimy bottom feeder, and the other is a fish."
[21:13] <Bill> And I should get another piece of art into the hands of RadCon ... nametags ... damn, wish I had some clove oil.
[21:13] <Lensman> So how far is it to the grocery store, Bill?
[21:13] <Harry_Redd> You have a Health Store near you? Or a Drug Store that has an Herbal section?
[21:14] <Lensman> Or is Clove Oil only from the drug store?
[21:14] <Bill> About 20 minutes, I'm on foot and it's icy.
[21:14] <Lensman> Bummer.
[21:14] <Harry_Redd> HEALTHFOOD stores usually carry it... Some Supermarkets too.
[21:15] <Harry_Redd> Well, it's something to put on your MUST HAVE list Bill.
[21:15] <Bill> Could be worse ... it's up to 28 F (the warmest it's been since Christmas!)
[21:17] <Bill> Gents, I bid you good night. Thanks for a delightful chat!
[21:17] <Harry_Redd> I wish I was closer BIll.
[21:17] <Harry_Redd> Adios BIll and Try not to think about BLUE MONKIES!
[21:18] <Lensman> Goodnite, Bill. Get yourself a lady to take care of you!
[21:18] <Bill> The feeling's mutual, Frank. But I'll see you next week -- whenever that is.
[21:18] <senax> Time for me to go too...later everyone.
[21:18] * senax has left #knownspace
[21:19] <Bill> I've had too much lady in my life, Lens ... now I'm considering a cat or dog or r