Chat: Sat Dec 02 11:55:52 2006

[11:55] * Now talking in #knownspace
[11:55] * Topic is 'WELCOME to the First Saturday Niven Chat.'
[11:55] * Set by Harry_Redd on Sat Dec 02 04:31:29
[12:12] <Harry_Redd> Hi All! I was just getting the E-Mail out.
[12:17] <Nick_Danger> Hi guys.
[12:17] <Harry_Redd> Hi All! I was just getting the E-Mail out.
[12:18] <Nick_Danger> i was just laying tiles. serious back malfunction now
[12:18] <Nick_Danger> cant....move....
[12:18] <Nick_Danger> i must be getting old... but not as old as frank!
[12:18] <Harry_Redd> I know the feeling. Been moving.
[12:21] <Harry_Redd> One thing aboit being here... The DIalup is 2X faster than the one I last had. And now, I've got Earthlink Accell working too!
[12:21] <Django> hey guys
[12:22] <Nick_Danger> nice! You need broadband. . .
[12:22] <Nick_Danger> or to steal your neighbors wireless or something.
[12:23] <Harry_Redd> Broadband is coming... The Fish wants her Tech to install it.
[12:23] <Harry_Redd> http://features.cgsociety.org/gallerycrits/60256/60256_1152359707_large.jpg
[12:24] <Nick_Danger> nice picture
[12:25] <Harry_Redd> What gets me is, there is no farmland.
[12:25] <Nick_Danger> maybe it is further round...
[12:26] <Django> it could all be hydroponic
[12:26] <Harry_Redd> Since it's a Habitat, I suspect you'd have more green between buildings.
[12:28] <Harry_Redd> The Beam Piper description of ContraGrav cities runs along the lines of Huge SPire Buildings with forrests and grasslands between them.
[12:29] <Nick_Danger> off to get chinese food. be back in a few ...
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[12:33] <Harry_Redd> Awwww.
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[12:35] <SeanS> hmmm, let me check and make sure that the connection limit hasnt somehow reset itself... just in case ;)
[12:36] <Lensman> Hey, fen are here already!
[12:36] <Harry_Redd> Hi Lens, Sean.
[12:36] <Lensman> Hi all!
[12:37] <Lensman> Hey, how do I get a copy of the log for last month's chat? Sorry I had to miss it.
[12:37] <SeanS> you ask me for it, and i check the log file
[12:38] <SeanS> let me see if i have it
[12:38] <Lensman> Ok: Sean, would you *please* send me a copy of the log?
[12:39] <Lensman> I don't understand the whole sign-in thing at the list archives. I think it sez the admin sends you a copy of your current password each month? I've never received any automated message telling me what my password is, AFAIK.
[12:39] <SeanS> hmm, dont have that log. looks like i rebuilt this pc about that time and the log is gone
[12:39] <SeanS> sorry
[12:40] <SeanS> unless........
[12:41] <Lensman> What form does it come in? Would it do any good to ask on the list if someone else had a copy they could e-mail to me?
[12:44] <SeanS> I have it
[12:44] <SeanS> I can send it as a straight text file or compress it.
[12:45] <SeanS> uncompressed, it is 112K in size
[12:46] <Lensman> I don't care, with broadband it doesn't matter. I presume compressed = .zip? Whichever is more convenient for you.
[12:46] <SeanS> doesnt make any difference to me
[12:47] <SeanS> whats the email addy?
[12:47] <Lensman> pls send it to lensman@sunflower.com
[12:47] <SeanS> on the way
[12:48] <Lensman> Thanks muchly Sean!
[12:48] <SeanS> looks like i redid this pc the sunday after the chat and i havent messed with the old drive yet so it was still there
[12:49] <SeanS> need to send it off to mark so he can put it on the web site
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[13:10] <Lensman> Hi Tanada!
[13:10] <Harry_Redd> Hi Tanda!
[13:10] <Tanada> Hi Lens, just checking my connection ;)
[13:10] <Lensman> You tease!
[13:10] <Tanada> Hi Frank, glad you and Leslie are getting along...perhaps a sequel is in the making?
[13:11] <Tanada> Well Lens, my wife hasn't left for the grocery store yet ;)
[13:14] <Harry_Redd> Maybe
[13:15] <Lensman> I had to re-install mIRC as I recently had to set up my 'puter from scratch, Windoz was getting too twitchy. Does anyone know why my new install of mIRC doesn't have the sunflower "configure" icon?
[13:15] <Tanada> Anyone else here addicted to Jericho?
[13:15] <Lensman> I spoze it's not that important as the only thing I use mIRC for is this chat, but "Tis a puzzlement!"
[13:15] <Harry_Redd> I think they left it out to save space. ;-)
[13:15] <Lensman> :)
[13:15] <Tanada> Frank, I still love Janesfort War, it is just so cool knowing you
[13:16] <Lensman> Is Jerico a TV show?
[13:16] <SeanS> the sunflower is still there
[13:16] <SeanS> it is used to switch between the server list and the connection dialog
[13:17] <Tanada> Yes Jericho on CBS Wednesday nights, you can see the whole thing webcast at cbs.com/jericho
[13:18] <Lensman> I need to hook my stereo back up to my 'puter so I can watch the last episode of "Desperate Housewives" online. Not much point of watching if you don't have sound...
[13:18] <Tanada> Jericho, not a doctor/lawyer/police/sitcom/reallity show
[13:19] <Tanada> Lens, you mean you watch it for something besides eye candy?
[13:21] <Harry_Redd> BRB. I need food!
[13:21] <Lensman> Mmmm... Teri Hatcher is certainly eye candy, alright! Don't find myself attracted to most of the other women on the show.
[13:22] <Lensman> Oh! How could I forget, the hispanic ex-model is a hottie too!
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[13:22] <SeanS> I have a high speed connection and an unlimited giganews account. I dont bother with such mundane shows as desperate housewives
[13:23] <Lensman> Ok, you win the geekier-than-thou contest. ;-)
[13:23] <SeanS> hehe, about the only contest i would actually try to win
[13:24] <Lensman> Usually when watching the tube I watch the TV beside my 'puter anyway, It's only for special shows like Battlestar Galactic where I descend to the basement an crank up the home theatre system.
[13:25] <SeanS> this pc sits on the coffee table in front of my home theater system
[13:25] <SeanS> in fact, I route video off this pc to the tv
[13:26] <SeanS> if i had a 5.1 channel sound card, i wouldnt need the dvd player
[13:28] <Lensman> I do a home theatre setup for the video room at ConQuesT, KaCSFFS' annual convention. One year the guy who ran it brought his tower 'puter with a really kickass 5.1 sound card. My system sounded even better that way than with my old $600 Sony DVD player!
[13:29] <SeanS> if that works. my dcc is notorious since i am behind the same firewall as the irc server
[13:30] <Lensman> I think he said it was a $200 sound card, so I think it was bleeding edge.
[13:31] <Lensman> Sean: Why did I just get an attempt to send me a file thru mIRC?
[13:31] <SeanS> because i attempted to send you a file thu mirc
[13:31] <SeanS> i can rarely send stuff out of here dcc tho
[13:32] <Lensman> What, the chat log? I'm already reading the e-mail copy you sent me. Thanks again!
[13:32] <SeanS> nah, was a pic of the pc sitting in front of the tv
[13:35] <Lensman> Oh, okay. I'm rather leery of accepting files with no advance warning. I haven't had a lot of problem with viruses on my 'puter, but that's because I'm careful!
[13:35] <SeanS> i wouldnt do that to anyone
[13:35] <SeanS> except maybe my sister
[13:36] <Lensman> My sister got teed off at me the other day when she wanted to show some photos on a CD to our relatives who were here visiting, but I wouldn't let her use my 'puter for that. But I was able to show them on my home theatre system so it all worked out.
[13:38] <Lensman> The other 'puter here she's used for e-mail, and I think some photos she's sent and were downloaded on that is why it's currently a rather expensive doorstop instead of a working 'puter. Our techie friend is puzzled about how a 'puter can be so messed up it won't even go into the BIOS. When the power switch is turned on, it immediately turns itself off again.
[13:39] <SeanS> sounds like bios is screwed. unplug it, pull the battery off the motherboard for an hour or so, then hook it all back up
[13:41] <Lensman> I'll tell her you advised that. I don't mess around with 'puter innards myself.
[13:41] <SeanS> just a thought but if the bios is corrupted, that might help
[13:44] <Lensman> She thinks it may be a power supply problem. I don't, as this immediately followed some problems like the mouse malfunctioning and the keyboard signal being lost. I know there was some sort of virus/ worm/ whatever on the system 'cuz I got a message from Zone Alarm that some sort of program or other was trying to access the Internet, and the name of the program was misspelled! So I surfed the 'net looking for info on that, and the first thing that p
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[13:45] <SeanS> could be a power supply problem
[13:45] <SeanS> hi geek
[13:46] <FrGeek> Hey
[13:46] <Harry_Redd> PHIL! g*r*e*a*t TO SEE YOU!
[13:46] <FrGeek> same here
[13:47] <Lensman> Would a power supply problem cause deterioration of mouse functionality, followed by complete loss of mouse function, followed by loss of keyboard input?
[13:47] <SeanS> no
[13:47] <SeanS> unless low voltage conditions were affecting the motherboard
[13:48] <FrGeek> Are they USB?
[13:48] <Lensman> Welcome FrGeek! So real name = Phil? Pardon me while I add that to my chatroom score card...
[13:49] <SeanS> you could be fighting 2 problems but since i dont have the machine sitting here. I will stop attempting to diagnose
[13:49] <FrGeek> Yah. I use dto go By by PhilG. but then phil H. came- you know liek too many daves...
[13:50] <SeanS> thats why I am SeanS. there was a Sean Pratts <sp> on the list at the time going by Sean. after a couple of posts, he switched to SeanP
[13:51] <Harry_Redd> Interesting article: http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20061202/fob6.asp
[13:51] <Lensman> Yah well when people start calling each other by real names here it generally throws me as I'm very bad at remembering names. Hence the score card for myself.
[13:52] <Lensman> Harry Redd = Frank Gasperik? And did I spell that last name right?
[13:52] <SeanS> you did
[13:53] <Lensman> Well, that's one anyway... ;-)
[13:53] <SeanS> if he is browsing enough to start posting links, he will be away from chat for a bit
[13:56] <FrGeek> Ah the wonders of the internet perfect for people like me withthe attention span rivaled only by certain species of gnats.
[13:56] <SeanS> anybody play with vista yet?
[13:57] <Lensman> Who is Vista when he's at home?
[13:57] <SeanS> windows vista
[13:57] <Lensman> Is that the new version, post XP?
[13:57] <SeanS> yes. i have it but havent installed it on anything yet
[13:58] <SeanS> kind of dont want to... would rather go back to full time linux
[13:59] <Lensman> I'm still running Windoz98 here, and having problems with refusing to update. A lot of programs I can't use the newest version. ZoneAlarm being one.
[13:59] <SeanS> i am behind a router so i dont use a software firewall
[14:00] <Lensman> I wish Linux would come out with a good Windoz emulator so I could get off the Windoz upgrade treadmill. But I refuse to give up my Windoz games!
[14:00] <SeanS> never heard of vmware workstation?
[14:01] <FrGeek> I tried Linux but as you said games and a lot progams are windows only.,
[14:01] <Harry_Redd> Yupper Lens.
[14:01] <Lensman> I am behind a router too. No doubt that stops some intrusions but not all. I've seen several cases where either Morton Anti-Virus or ZoneAlarm blocked a worm intrusion.
[14:01] <SeanS> with vmware, you set up a virtual machine and install a windows version under linux. everything works
[14:02] <SeanS> never had a problem here
[14:02] <FrGeek> But its a bit slower isn't it? IIRC its not free either
[14:02] <SeanS> vmware player is free and disk speed is compromised somewhat yes
[14:02] <Lensman> Sean: No doubt you know how to configure your router better than our compute techie. Or maybe you just have a better router.
[14:05] <FrGeek> Speaking of free software I assume everyone here has clestia?
[14:05] <FrGeek> Celestia
[14:05] <SeanS> i dont actually
[14:05] <Lensman> You assume incorrectly.
[14:06] <Lensman> So give us the pitch. What does it do and why are our lives incomplete w/o it?
[14:07] <FrGeek> I am dissapiont in all of you. Very, very dissapionted ;) you can get it at http://www.shatters.net/celestia/ Its a great space and astostonomy simulator
[14:07] <FrGeek> Soem geeks even have patche sto add systems and ships from 2001, b5 and whatnot from it
[14:08] <SeanS> I have heard of it
[14:09] <Lensman> So it's a planetarium on your PC, is that it?
[14:10] <FrGeek> Yah, kind of.
[14:13] <Harry_Redd> heay Sean! Check this out! http://www.the-whiteboard.com/autowbtg06.gif
[14:13] <Harry_Redd> BTW, I'm trying to restore some bookmarks. Having twice tyhe speed of the other location sure helps!
[14:14] <SeanS> har har
[14:16] <Harry_Redd> This looks like a WaLT doURGHTY pROJECT! http://www.the-whiteboard.com/autowbtg062.gif
[14:18] <Harry_Redd> http://www.the-whiteboard.com/autowbtg063.gif
[14:21] <Harry_Redd> http://www.the-whiteboard.com/autowbtg064.gif
[14:21] <Harry_Redd> Enough of that. :-0
[14:23] <SeanS> good ;) 28 minutes to go
[14:24] <SeanS> 38 that is
[14:24] <Harry_Redd> Oh My GHOD! http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/06nov/uf009726.gif *LOL*
[14:26] <Lensman> LOL! The casting director from Hell...
[14:29] <Harry_Redd> Not quite Lens. there's not enough "Ethnic Diversity" in the cast. How about J-Lo?
[14:33] <FrGeek> Latina elves? Anything like black vulcans?
[14:34] <SeanS> just another example of IDIC
[14:36] <Harry_Redd> Yeah, but Hollywood would do it just to show how Non Racist they are.
[14:45] <Lensman> It's not surprising that the Nordic and Olde English legends Tolkien based his myth cycle on don't have protagonist roles for non-Caucasians. I don't see that as racist or even discriminatory, but others may see it differently.
[14:46] <Lensman> "Others" including the guy who claimed the scene in one of the LOTR movies where an orc or Uruk-Hai is spawned out of a mud bath being a reference to the racist term "mud people".
[14:47] <Harry_Redd> IT'S AN insult to ISLAM!!!
[14:47] <Harry_Redd> Bjorn of the earth Lensman
[14:49] <FrGeek> SOm epeopel make a carrer out of being insulted
[14:49] <SeanS> yep
[14:50] <SeanS> the one pretty local here is the irreverand Lewis Coleman
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[14:51] <SeanS> hi tanada
[14:51] <FrGeek> Hi Tanada
[14:51] <Tanada> Hey Ya'All
[14:52] <Harry_Redd> Hi Tanada
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[14:52] * Matt_Damon changes topic to 'Matt Damon is a musical genius!'
[14:52] <Harry_Redd> Hi Matt
[14:52] <SeanS> hehe
[14:52] <Tanada> Whats the hot topic?
[14:52] * Harry_Redd changes topic to 'WELCOME to the First Saturday Niven Chat.'
[14:53] <Harry_Redd> http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/06nov/uf009726.gif
[14:53] <SeanS> nothing yet, tanada
[14:53] <Harry_Redd> We were discussing this for a bit. *LOL*
[14:53] <Tanada> Anyone interested in the prospects of time travelers going back before Toba to get genetic samples from before the Sapiens bottleneck?
[14:53] <Lensman> Topic is "Waiting for Gadot... er, Larry" ;-)
[14:54] <Nick_Danger> lensman - they made us read that in high school... that is what working for Ross Perot's old company is like...
[14:54] <Tanada> LOL @ Lens
[14:55] <Lensman> I'm guessing you mean the genetic diversity bottleneck theorized based on mitochondrial DNA dating? But what's Toba?
[14:55] <Tanada> Toba was the supervolcano explosion that is suspected of causing the bottleneck
[14:55] <Lensman> Actually I've never seen nor read "Waiting". A description made it sound terribly avante garde and terribly dull.
[14:57] <Nick_Danger> I think seeing it would be a bad thing... unless you really wanted to sleep well...
[14:57] * Nick_Danger walks out of the fog, and into the smog.
[14:58] <Lensman> As I was watching a documentary on the theoretical bottleneck (It's GREAT finally having the Science channel!) it occurred to me that geneticists may be asking the wrong question. I frankly doubt mitochondrial DNA mutations occur like "clockwork". I think the question they *should* be asking is: What mechanism would reduce mitochondrial diversity?
[14:58] <Matt_Damon> As I that's a shot or have any questions?
[14:59] <Lensman> Matt: ??
[14:59] <SeanS> relentlessly, ruthlessly... (I wonder where ruth is)
[14:59] <Matt_Damon> relentlessly, ruthlessly... 802.11g.
[15:00] <Nick_Danger> I have to go take these kids to see "flushed away"... be back in a couple hours
[15:00] <FrGeek> It liek oneof those movies that holloywood peopel make so they coudl good about themselves.
[15:00] * Nick_Danger would love to see an adult movie for once...
[15:00] <FrGeek> It liek oneof those movies that holloywood peopel make so they coudl good about themselves.
[15:00] <Matt_Damon> It liek make my goats screaming for that still morning...
[15:01] <Tanada> Well there could be a virus that specifically targeted Mitochondria and wiped out those branches susceptible to the virus....
[15:02] <FrGeek> Or maybe they died out in a 'wrinkle in time"
[15:02] <Matt_Damon> Foo needs to me and then say is the code at a spongy ooze of me: one of class against class is a frontal lobotomy.
[15:02] <SeanS> ok, thats enough of that right at the start of the official chat
[15:03] * Matt_Damon was kicked by SeanS (bring the bot back some other time, Nick)
[15:03] <Tanada> I loved a Wrinkle in Time, but A Swiftly Tilting Planet was better
[15:03] <Nick_Danger> hehe.
[15:04] <Nick_Danger> i think matt takes too much acid
[15:04] <SeanS> change the name to daemon so people have an idea and we dont get sued ;)
[15:04] <Nick_Danger> awww... he can't sue, he's a celery.
[15:05] <Nick_Danger> i mean a celebrity. i was watching team america while I wrote it.
[15:05] <SeanS> i wont argue that too much
[15:05] <Nick_Danger> MATT DAMON!
[15:05] <Nick_Danger> be back
[15:07] <Harry_Redd> The accepted theory for Cro-Mag and Nethanerthals is that they interbred to produce Modern Man. The same thing could have happened much earlier.
[15:08] <Lensman> "Team America" is, I guess, a sign I'm getting old. I went to see it 'cuz I'm a "Thunderbirds" fan and I heard it was a parody of that. It was one of the most disgusting movies it's ever been my displeasure to see, and I loathe and dispise it. But when I was walking out of the theatre, I heard several of the young adults exclaim enthusiastically about what a great movie that was!
[15:09] <Lensman> I'd say "accepted theory" is an overstatement. There is a lot of arguments about whether or not cro-mag and Neanderthal interbred, or even whether they *could* interbreed.
[15:10] <FrGeek> yah but at some piont there must have been interbreeding possible
[15:10] <Lensman> Personally I find the idea absurd that Neanderthal interbred so much with Cro-Magnon that it was simply absorbed into the population. In fact I think very recently they've proven the genetic difference was such that this is impossible.
[15:11] <Lensman> Sure there was a common ancestor. But I think recently they've discovered Neanderthal DNA is about 4 times as diverse from Homo Sapiens as previously thought.
[15:12] <Lensman> The Descent of Man is a very hot area for research, because we now know of a lot of hominids, but are unsure of just how they're related, or who is descended from whom.
[15:12] <Harry_Redd> Yeah, well nobody knows what Ally Oop did with the upstairs maid 60,000 years ago Lens.
[15:12] <FrGeek> Reminds me of the Gieco "caveman" commercials
[15:12] <Lensman> Of course as WE know, we're descended from the Pak.
[15:13] <Tanada> lol
[15:13] <Lensman> I'm enjoying those commercial. Most of Geico's commercials are enjoyable-- at least the first dozen times or so.
[15:14] <Tanada> At least they have a bit of an imagination
[15:15] <SeanS> thats what i tell people when they ask what i believe. They try to get me into a religious argument and I say "I believe we are descended from a race called the Pak who originated 33000 lightyears toward the center of the galaxy" really throws the old ladies from buck run baptist church for a loop
[15:15] <Lensman> LOL! Well it's more believable than the Scientologist creation myth.
[15:16] <SeanS> i have never read dianetics and really dont want to
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[15:16] <SeanS> hi carol
[15:16] <Lensman> Welcome Carol!
[15:16] <FlyingDragon> Hello!
[15:16] <Harry_Redd> HI Carol!
[15:16] <FlyingDragon> Hello, sean, Crazy, Father, Harry, Lensman. Nick. Tanada and Uber.
[15:17] <FrGeek> Hi Carol
[15:17] <FlyingDragon> My cable was down over night, so I wasn't logging this morning as I would have been.
[15:17] <Lensman> Is the Theta/ Xenu thing from Dianetics? I thought that was just from Scientology.
[15:17] <SeanS> i have it from before noon on
[15:17] <FlyingDragon> It is HORRIBLE to be suddenly YANKED from cyberspace, unwillingly!!!!
[15:18] <FrGeek> I love it when fundamentalists say "Evolution is impossible" to which I reply "So your saying God is incapable ot it?"
[15:18] <FlyingDragon> LOL
[15:19] <SeanS> thats a good one phil
[15:19] <Lensman> What is that wonderful Charles Aadams cartoon? "Chester Fortesque was suddenly spit out of the universe like a watermelon seed." Or somesuch.
[15:19] <Lensman> FrGeek: WOW what a great comback! I'll have to remember that.
[15:19] <FlyingDragon> How sad for FOrtesque!
[15:21] <FlyingDragon> I've never heard a fundie say that evolution was impossible. Just that it isn't what it wasy in the bible. How can there be 24 hour days before there was a sun? Also, defining a day as a 24 hour earth day is rather saying that god is only a god of THIS planet.
[15:21] <Lensman> Yah the fundie's God is a MUCH smaller God than mine. There
[15:22] <Lensman> There's is just a God of one planet, plus some lights in the sky. Mine is the Creator of uncountable galaxies.
[15:22] <Lensman> Jeez! "Theirs"
[15:22] <FlyingDragon> You need more coffee!!!!
[15:22] <Lensman> I guess I didn't get enuff sleep last nite.
[15:23] <Lensman> Carol, you said it.
[15:24] <Lensman> I had a tiring day yesterday. Our church is doing their annual Kristkindl Markt. It's a combo German festival and Xmas craft fair. LOOOOVE that German potato salad and brats! Yum! But was on my feet quite a lot yesterday, what with running around helping out.
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[15:25] <Lensman> I realized how much I'd run around yesterday when climing the stairs this morning. My leg muscles were complaining.
[15:25] <FrGeek> Ohh nothing says Christmas like sausage! no wait thats Hogfather's day...
[15:25] <SeanS> hehe
[15:25] <FlyingDragon> HAd master's club this morning, and my back started hurting. Still hurts. I think I'll take a soak in the spa tonight....
[15:26] <FlyingDragon> Hogfather's day?
[15:26] <SeanS> from diskworld
[15:26] <FlyingDragon> AH. I son't read enough diskworld.
[15:27] <SeanS> i think the big celebration is hogfather's eve
[15:27] <Lensman> Discworld: For those who find that Xanth isn't redundant enuff. <Lensman ducks>
[15:27] <SeanS> never got into xanth. tho i did meet piers once
[15:28] <Lensman> I read several Xanth novels. The first, _A Spell for Chameleon_, is wonderful. The third, _Castle Roogna_ is pretty good too. But after the first few they settle down into formula.
[15:29] <FlyingDragon> Too muchXanth is hard to take. Tehre comes a point when one becomes immune to puns, and the books become pointless.
[15:29] <Lensman> Carol has put her finger on it exactly.
[15:29] <FrGeek> No nearly as redunadnt as Jordan's wheel of time. Those are hours of my life I will never get back
[15:29] <SeanS> i was working at the waldenbooks in ocala about 20-30 miles from his house and he showed up one day.
[15:29] <SeanS> long time ago
[15:30] <FlyingDragon> Sean, wow.
[15:30] <Lensman> Anyway, I haven't read much Discworld but from what I have read, it seems like one book is indistinguishable from the next. I can't even remember which ones I've read.
[15:30] <FrGeek> True, someimes I just read them for the footnotes
[15:30] <Lensman> Just my opinion, of course-- Discworld is quit popular.
[15:31] <Lensman> My apologies in advance for my next several typos.
[15:31] <SeanS> with discworld, my favorites are the first 3 and reaper man
[15:32] <SeanS> and mort if that is not in the first 3
[15:32] <SeanS> watching the army navy game, frank
[15:34] <Harry_Redd> I happen to like the VIMES series. Good mysteries with much to say.
[15:34] <Harry_Redd> Who's ahead Sean?
[15:34] <SeanS> tied at 7 with 3:30 left in the half. army just called time out
[15:35] <Harry_Redd> Sounds like a good game.
[15:35] <Lensman> Is Vimes by Pratchett (sp?) ?
[15:36] <SeanS> yes
[15:36] <SeanS> vimes is head of the ank morpork watch
[15:36] <Lensman> Sorry I missed last month's chat. "<Harry_Redd> Err Earghsplitten Loudenboomers!" LOL!
[15:37] <FrGeek> I think I missed it too.
[15:37] <SeanS> i have the log available. lensman got me to dig it out.
[15:37] <SeanS> i will send it to the webmeisters and it will be posted to larryniven.org soon
[15:38] <Harry_Redd> Earghsplitten Loudenboomers Alla isdt Kaput!
[15:38] <FrGeek> "Fritz! They shot Fritz!"
[15:38] <Harry_Redd> Earghsplitten Loudenboomers Alla isdt Kaput = Thermonuke
[15:39] <Lensman> FrGeek: These kids these days, they don't even know who Fritz is!
[15:39] <Harry_Redd> You guys missed a good chat.
[15:39] <SeanS> i have it fully logged
[15:39] <FlyingDragon> I"d rather have a good chat than talk about a good chat.
[15:39] <FrGeek> Sigh, I am afraid your right, so much for the classics...
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[15:40] <FlyingDragon> Frank, ever hear of  Ferdinand Beyer?
[15:41] <FlyingDragon> ANyone feel free to answer!
[15:41] <NickE> howdydoodllydoo
[15:41] <FlyingDragon> howdydodeedo!
[15:42] <SeanS> wb, nick
[15:42] <NickE> hi Carol, Frank, Sean Phil. t'other Nick Lens Uber
[15:42] <NickE> I only jus came in :-)
[15:42] <FlyingDragon> I"ve started givieng Keegan PIano lessons, and his instructor gave him hoework of googling Ferdinand Beyer, and we are having a hard time finding anything about him.
[15:43] <NickE> Lost on me
[15:43] <SeanS> i can get the radio to play and that is about the best of my musical ability
[15:43] <NickE> :-)
[15:44] <SeanS> i can get the pc to play the dr who theme by orbital
[15:44] <Lensman> Whatever you say Nick, but your nick looks suspiciously like another Nick's nick. Perhaps you nicked his?
[15:45] <NickE> Nope. me here first...except not tonight...as it were
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[15:45] <NickE> Hey Fred
[15:45] <FlyingDragon> hello
[15:45] <SeanS> hi fred
[15:45] <Fred_ScreamsAndLeaps> greetins fellow sentients
[15:45] <Lensman> Contrary to popular belief, not all knowledge is contained in the Internet.
[15:46] <NickE> not so sure about the sentience here
[15:46] <Fred_ScreamsAndLeaps> you found that out online, didn't you?
[15:46] <Harry_Redd> Hi Nick.
[15:46] <SeanS> lol
[15:46] <NickE> from my end anyway
[15:46] <FlyingDragon> Yes, Lensman. There are HUGE holes in what is available on the internet.
[15:46] <NickE> Hi Frank, good to "see" you
[15:46] <Fred_ScreamsAndLeaps> Hey Frank
[15:46] <Harry_Redd> Hi FredScream
[15:46] <Fred_ScreamsAndLeaps> Hi Carol
[15:47] <SeanS> lens, nick danger is mark firestone
[15:47] <Lensman> Yah, the Matt Damon daemon here earlier was a pretty good demonstration of non-sentience. Or was that nonsense?
[15:47] <Harry_Redd> Yeah, It's good to be back.
[15:47] * Fred_ScreamsAndLeaps is now known as F_RED
[15:47] <NickE> I knew that (kinda :-)
[15:47] <FrGeek> Of course the internet is not the fountain of all knowelege. You can't expect me to be on-line ALL the time! ;)
[15:47] <F_RED> 04lol
[15:47] <Lensman> "It's good to be back" Ah, another Heinlein fan. ;-)
[15:48] <FlyingDragon> Father, have YOU ever heard of Ferdinand Beyer?
[15:48] <FrGeek> Nope
[15:48] <Lensman> I took piano lessons many, many years ago, and I confess the name didn't ring a bell with me.
[15:49] <FlyingDragon> Harry, which character ARE you in BURNING TOWER?
[15:49] <NickE> <apologies for any incoherence: birthday drinks for a pal all afternoon....much Guiness quaffed>
[15:50] <SeanS> good for you nick
[15:50] <NickE> feels good.....now :-)
[15:50] <SeanS> 7 to 7 going into halftime, frank
[15:51] <NickE> Good aftenoon/evening in fact, proper pub, beer and chat
[15:51] <Harry_Redd> I'm one of the characters in the first paragraqph. and they use my name, but scrambled. ;-)
[15:51] <F_RED> 04How come Carol's boldface keeps cutting out partway in?
[15:51] <SeanS> looking forward to dr who on christmas, nick
[15:51] <Harry_Redd> Thanks Sean.
[15:52] <NickE> WHat dya mean which character!!! Lord Reggy thing
[15:52] <NickE> Ho Yuss. Should be good
[15:52] <FlyingDragon> Something wrong w my program. It won't turn off bold face.
[15:52] <Lensman> Calm down Fred-- you're getting red in the typface!
[15:52] <NickE> Regaspik thats the one
[15:52] <NickE> or summfin
[15:53] <FlyingDragon> F_RED wants to be in the red group with HarryRedd and Reflame
[15:53] <FlyingDragon> Redflame, I mean.
[15:53] <F_RED> 04and you keep dragon me down
[15:53] <NickE> <groan>
[15:53] <FlyingDragon> lol
[15:53] <F_RED> 04hey, who put up that link to the picture of THUNDERBIRD TWO down under?
[15:53] <Harry_Redd> It's a hard group to get into Fred. ;-)
[15:54] <NickE> That was Euan. Very cool
[15:54] <F_RED> 04Yah, I posted it to my Supercar group, and they want more information!
[15:54] <Lensman> Yes, kewl indeed!
[15:56] <F_RED> 04So the Christmas gift buying here has officially begun . . .
[15:56] <Lensman> So did you ever find out anything more about the model?
[15:56] <FlyingDragon> I'm almost finished shopping!
[15:57] <F_RED> 04ack
[15:57] <Lensman> I was actually using a T-bird 2 as an avatar on the War of the Worlds Online forum for awhile.
[15:57] <F_RED> 04you, I hate
[15:57] <SeanS> i start shopping on the 26th when the real deals show up
[15:57] <NickE> done all mine
[15:57] <F_RED> 04I have a friend that drags her family out on the 26th
[15:57] <F_RED> 04stands in line all day
[15:57] <F_RED> 04to buy half price gift wrap for next year
[15:58] <FlyingDragon> Yes, good deals are fun. THere are a lot of those to be had on "Black Friday."
[15:58] <Lensman> And she thinks it takes her entire family to do this because--?
[15:58] <NickE> brb
[15:58] <Harry_Redd> Littel red Riding Hoodlem was doing her Christmas shopping earl... One warm night in July.
[15:58] <F_RED> 04Standing in line for 8 hours to save money on wrapping paper Carol?
[15:58] <FlyingDragon> ON the 26th?
[15:58] <F_RED> 04I wouldn't do that if the damn stuff was filled
[15:59] <FlyingDragon> Or the day after THanksgiving?
[15:59] <F_RED> 04no, day after Xmas
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[15:59] <SeanS> 26th of december
[15:59] <SeanS> hi dan
[15:59] <F_RED> 04Hi Dan
[15:59] <Dan> Hiya Sean. Hiya everyone!
[15:59] <Harry_Redd> I shop AFTER christmas and gift on Jan 5... 12th night! ;-)
[15:59] <FrGeek> It would be eaier and cheaper to use newpaper.
[15:59] <FlyingDragon> I've never seen long lines like that. But standing in long lines isn't my thing. MEn are goog for that. REad a book, save a place in line.
[15:59] <Harry_Redd> Hi Dan.
[15:59] <FlyingDragon> Hello, dan
[16:00] <F_RED> 04I assume she stands in multiple lines
[16:00] <F_RED> 04I always refuse to go
[16:00] <F_RED> 04but it's an all day affair
[16:00] <Lensman> The day after Xmas is one of stores' busiest days, but only beause people are returning gifts to stores. I avoid that day at stores like the plague.
[16:00] <SeanS> i sit here and watch football on black friday
[16:00] <Lensman> Perhaps there are deals to be had, but I'm not that dedicated a shopper.
[16:00] <FlyingDragon> I never sit and watch football.
[16:00] <FrGeek> Not me, I stood enough in enoug lines in the miliatry thank you. But then I don't have to worry abot my wife telling me to take her place in line
[16:01] <Harry_Redd> *LOL* Phil!
[16:01] <FlyingDragon> Frgeek, I suppoe you aren't really into the aquisition thing either.
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[16:02] <SeanS> hi euan
[16:02] <F_RED> 04aha!
[16:02] <Dan> Ahhh, my Domestic Goddess has made coffee for me. BRB.
[16:02] <F_RED> 04We were just talking about Thunderbird Two
[16:02] <Harry_Redd> Hi Euan!
[16:02] <FrGeek> Not it I have to wait in line!
[16:02] <growler> hi
[16:02] <Harry_Redd> *Lovevly!* http://www.comics.com/comics/chickweed/archive/images/chickweed2006121018002.jpg
[16:02] <Lensman> Drill sgt to recruit: "I suppose when I die you'll come to my funeral so you can piss on my grave!" Recruit: "Oh no, sarge, I swore that after I get out of the military I'll never stand in line again!"
[16:03] <FrGeek> LOL
[16:03] <Lensman> Shop online. No lines, no taxes, in some cases no shipping charges either!
[16:04] <F_RED> 04yeah
[16:04] <SeanS> i agree
[16:04] <Lensman> Who'd be crazy enuff to stand in line to save a few bucks on wrapping paper?
[16:04] <F_RED> 04Circuit City just dropped their delivery and shipping charges
[16:04] <FrGeek> Carol you sked about ferdinand Beyer? for a little infor go to http://www.music.org/cgi-bin/showpage.pl?tmpl=/profactiv/conf/reg/rm/2001abs&h=52
[16:04] <F_RED> 04(Mom's getting a new TV for Xmas)
[16:04] <Dan> Back... Yeah, I plan to do most of my holiday shopping online.
[16:04] <F_RED> 04Most of mine will be done at Amazon
[16:06] <FlyingDragon> Thank you Father. That isa lot more information than we had before!
[16:06] <FrGeek> No problem I love a challenge!
[16:07] <NickE> back. Hey Dan & Euan
[16:07] <SeanS> darn helpful this irc server from time to time ;)
[16:08] <FlyingDragon> I just did some of mine at Amazon. I"ll admit that it is easier to look for specific things one line, ahrder to browse, though. Keegs wanted a YELLOW rain slicker and umbrella. No one has anything like that, but I found the slicker on Amazon, and the umbrella on Ebay.
[16:08] <Dan> My Dad is so hard to shop for. What do you buy for a guy in his mid 60s who already owns more tools and toys that the proverbial stick can be shaken at?
[16:09] <Lensman> That's a good point, Carol, it's a lot harder to shop online if you want to browse what's available, or you're not sure of the exact name or description of what you're looking for.
[16:09] <SeanS> you tell me, dan, i have the same or more so of the problem
[16:09] <FrGeek> Maybe soemthing that breaks down a lot so he could use his tools?
[16:09] <Harry_Redd> Boxes fior them Dan>
[16:09] <SeanS> what to get a guy that has 2 or possibly 4 of everything that he wants
[16:09] <Dan> Sportsman's Guide has a great wool overcoat for $14.
[16:09] <NickE> had to make me own cuppa tea.. (can't complain, she dropped me off and picked me up from the station and had ordered a Chinese takeout to pick up on the way home!)
[16:10] <NickE> <still catching up>
[16:10] <Harry_Redd> Peg and I once gave larry niven a sheve of Brown lunch bags with his name printed on them ;-)
[16:10] <NickE> Cool
[16:10] <F_RED> 04a sheve?
[16:11] <F_RED> 04Last year I made a ton of custom stuff on CafePress and gave them to people
[16:11] <Harry_Redd> A bunch of them bound with tape. :-)
[16:11] <NickE> whatever the colective of brown bags is
[16:11] <F_RED> 04Calendars and shirts and mugs and stuff
[16:11] <Lensman> Things still come in sheaves?
[16:11] <NickE> thats the one
[16:11] <FlyingDragon> designed them yourself?
[16:11] <Lensman> obLOTR: "Pints? Beer comes in *pints*?"
[16:12] <NickE> :-)
[16:12] <Dan> LOL
[16:12] <growler> Amazon makes it very hard for me at times - I often want to just go check what new SF has become availabel in the last month or so and they don't make that easy.
[16:12] <F_RED> 04and their stock of Larry Niven books is low :(
[16:12] <Harry_Redd> *LOL* http://www.comics.com/comics/acaseinpoint/archive/images/acaseinpoint2006166581109.gif
[16:12] <Lensman> check locusonline.com for the new SF releases.
[16:13] <FlyingDragon> REdd, LOL
[16:13] <growler> When you get a list of books and sort it by date they start with titles that won't be published for a year and you have to search through several pages to find where ones currently published tsart.
[16:13] <NickE> <snort>
[16:13] <F_RED> 04Amazon finally finally FINALLY is putting a little 'prime' logo next to a list of items in a search return
[16:14] <Harry_Redd> http://www.comics.com/comics/acaseinpoint/archive/images/acaseinpoint2006111110511.gif
[16:14] <FlyingDragon> Nick Danger, I think you might like this too. Thinking about buying this for Peter: http://www.cafepress.com/godchecker.14906242
[16:15] <Lensman> What to get the man who has everything: Unless he's on a restrictive diet, some fancy/ gourmet food mailed to him would probably be appreciated. I used to take orders for Wolferman's Gourmet Foods, and they did most of their business during the holiday season. Jack Stack BBQ also ships their stuff, insulated, with dry ice so it will arrive in good shape. I'm sure there are plenty of other companies doing the same.
[16:15] <F_RED> 04CafePress is doing their colored shirts now in black, maroon, green, navy
[16:15] <SeanS> foodwise... mom would kill me ;)
[16:15] <SeanS> nice idea tho
[16:15] <Harry_Redd> *LOLOL!* http://www.comics.com/comics/acaseinpoint/archive/images/acaseinpoint2033317061114.gif
[16:15] <F_RED> 12the Nautilus would look good on a navy background
[16:15] <FlyingDragon> There is a Pizza place in Stillwater Oklahoma, Hidaway, which sends their Pizza's frozen on dry ice.
[16:16] <Dan> Lensman, with 4 cooks in the family, the lowest priority my Dad has is "what shall we eat?"
[16:16] <Lensman> Of course giving a gift of food to someone overweight might not be appreciated, but it's often a nice surprise and fondly remembered!
[16:16] <Harry_Redd> Special Coffies and Teas work.
[16:17] <FrGeek> Yo can get Lou Malnati's chichago style pizza delivered frozen as well
[16:17] <F_RED> 04this just in
[16:17] <F_RED> 04with apologies to Harry
[16:17] <F_RED> 04"cat owners are more prone toward schizophrenia"
[16:17] <Lensman> Dan: *Shrug* one size does NOT fit all. Still, something he likes but they don't make at home might be appreciated.
[16:17] <SeanS> yeah but death by my mom's own hand would be a poor substitu for a thankyou card
[16:17] <Dan> Eveh given that, he refuses to explore lots of "non Southern Down-Home" foods.
[16:17] <Harry_Redd> I saw that. Unfortunate. Now the Cat haters have more ammo!
[16:17] <F_RED> 04"The jury is still out on that in the medical community. But the infectious agent currently thought to be the most likely culprit in leading to schizophrenia is Toxoplasma gondii, a protozoan parasite."
[16:17] <F_RED> 04"Its definitive host is the cat, which is unaffected by the parasite," Dr. Torrey, co-author of the book "Beasts of the Earth: Animals, Humans, and Disease," writes in Forbes magazine.
[16:18] <FlyingDragon> Fruit cakes from from Collin Street Bakery are a famouse tradition. Many large corporations give them to their employees, including Ringling brothers and Barnum and Bailey CIrcus! http://www.collinstreet.com/pages/deluxe_fruitcake?t=s_go_kw_fruit_cake&gclid=CNvYvJra9IgCFQFvVAodTjYTpA
[16:18] <Dan> It took us *ages* just to get him to try pizza.
[16:18] <FrGeek> Is that because peopel who buy cats mar emore likely to be schizophernic or do the the cats make them that way?
[16:18] <FlyingDragon> BRB
[16:18] <F_RED> 04why would a corporation give fruicakes to their employees?
[16:18] <F_RED> 04do they WANT them to quit?
[16:18] <SeanS> cheaper than hams or turkey's i guess
[16:18] <FlyingDragon> You have never had THESE wonderful Fruitcakes. I gave one to my martial arts master last year. He loved it.
[16:19] <Lensman> Not all fruitcakes are like those doorstops your grandma made!
[16:19] <FlyingDragon> My fav is the apricot
[16:19] <FrGeek> THTAS why ther eis the missing mass in et huniverse. The dark matter all hidden are fruitcake1
[16:19] <FlyingDragon> brb for real
[16:19] <F_RED> 04fruitcakes go directly into the garbage can
[16:19] <F_RED> 04and make a horrible THUD when they hit the bottom
[16:19] <FlyingDragon> I'll not waste my money on YOU!!!!!
[16:20] <F_RED> 04Hey, it's not I ever bought *you* anything
[16:20] <F_RED> 04:P
[16:20] <F_RED> 04:D
[16:21] <Harry_Redd> I improve Fruitcakes by soaking them in Brandy and RUM. ;-) It also makes them cutable.
[16:21] <F_RED> 04same thing goes for cats
[16:21] <F_RED> 04plus, the alcohol cures schizophernia
[16:22] <Harry_Redd> *LOL* http://www.comics.com/comics/acaseinpoint/archive/images/acaseinpoint2006113327117.gif
[16:23] <Lensman> The correct way to make rum cake: http://www.corsinet.com/braincandy/hholiday2.html
[16:23] <FrGeek> DO youe mena cats make a thud when you thrwo them in garbage or cats taste better wteh you soak them in rum?
[16:24] <SeanS> i would have to contact the local chinese place
[16:25] <Harry_Redd> http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff1400/fc01319.png LOL!
[16:25] <Lensman> Soak your cat in rum! It will burn much better that way...
[16:25] <Lensman> Lensman will now get flamed by the cat fanciers...
[16:26] <SeanS> but a nasty smell in the fireplace
[16:26] <Harry_Redd> http://www.comics.com/comics/acaseinpoint/archive/images/acaseinpoint2006111110618.gif
[16:26] <Harry_Redd> You are talking to a man who is surrounded by CATS!
[16:26] <Lensman> Seriously, I don't hate cats, but I far prefer dogs. They're so much more expressive of their affection.
[16:27] <SeanS> not if me and the lab max show up ;)
[16:27] <SeanS> depends on the cat
[16:27] <Lensman> Maxy (who's in my lap) says "Woof!" in agreement.
[16:27] * SeanS getting out of cat hating mode
[16:28] <SeanS> if max got in my lap i wouldnt be able to move for a couple of days
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[16:29] <F_RED> 04Tree
[16:29] <Dan> Hi, TreeHugger.
[16:29] <SeanS> Hi Tree Hugger
[16:29] <TreeHugger> Made it!
[16:29] <FlyingDragon> Hello....
[16:29] <Lensman> Maxy is only about 24 lbs. He was about 26 and looking rather fat around the neck-- we had to get him a new collar again-- but we put him on a diet. Now he's *very* attentive anytime he smells people food!
[16:29] <TreeHugger> Hi all!
[16:30] <Lensman> Welcome!
[16:30] <FlyingDragon> Couple frineds came over, and I need to let one of htem use my computer for awhile.
[16:30] <Lensman> Bye Carol
[16:30] * FlyingDragon is now known as Flying_away
[16:30] <SeanS> my lab max weighed 105lbs last time i had him on a scale
[16:30] <F_RED> 04a friend in need . . .
[16:31] <Flying_away> Keegs and he want to play an on-line game together
[16:31] <Lensman> 105 lbs is certainly no lap dog!
[16:31] <SeanS> about 20 lbs over sized for a lab and he has no fat on him
[16:31] <FrGeek> I one visted soemone with the world friendliest rotwieller that thoug he was a lapdog. How could you say no?
[16:31] <SeanS> definately not a lap dob
[16:31] <SeanS> dog
[16:32] <Harry_Redd> http://www.comics.com/comics/acaseinpoint/archive/images/acaseinpoint2002221261122.gif
[16:32] <Harry_Redd> Later then Carol.
[16:33] * SeanS sets mode: +o Dan
[16:33] * SeanS sets mode: +o growler
[16:33] * SeanS sets mode: +o NickE
[16:34] <SeanS> really no reason for it, but what the hell
[16:34] <Dan> Here's one for you, Frank: http://www.bigheadpress.com/index.php
[16:35] <Lensman> #Knownspace has a new pecking order. All hail to our new masters! :P
[16:35] <Dan> L. Neil Smits has a couple of novels being done as Graphic Novels there.
[16:35] <SeanS> there has been only one time it has been necessary that i have seen and that was on chatnet
[16:35] <Dan> L Neil Smith, rather.
[16:36] <Lensman> That's okay, we can read typo.
[16:36] <Harry_Redd> http://www.comics.com/comics/acaseinpoint/archive/images/acaseinpoint2006111110625.gif
[16:36] <Lensman> ObAirplane!: "I speak jive!"
[16:36] <Dan> Thanks, Sean.
[16:37] <SeanS> my gf, is coming over shortly so i may be afk
[16:37] <Dan> Not a problem. I have to leave for work myself, in about 90 minutes.
[16:37] <Lensman> Wow, so many straight lines there...
[16:38] <F_RED> 04Neil Smits? Any relation to Jimmy?
[16:38] <Lensman> His swashbuckling crabs speak with Spanish accents?
[16:41] <TreeHugger> 03Quiet today. Anybody read any good books lately?
[16:41] <TreeHugger> 12I just finished Baxter's Titan.
Session Start: Sat Dec 02 17:00:34 2006
Session Ident: #knownspace
[17:00] * Now talking in #knownspace
[17:00] * Topic is 'WELCOME to the First Saturday Niven Chat.'
[17:00] * Set by Harry_Redd on Sat Dec 02 14:52:18
[17:00] <F_RED> 04same friend that got me to read Niven
[17:00] <Dan> RE, SeanS
[17:00] <SeanS> frickin windows
[17:00] <TreeHugger> 12Typical of many film-makers.
[17:00] <Dan> LOL
[17:01] <Lensman> Well they did use the Lens, but the story seems to have been lifted from golden age Green Lantern. Alien crashes on Earth, and mortally wounded hands his lens over to a kid who finds him. Clearly this lens doesn't kill anyone it's not made for!
[17:02] <NickE> !
[17:02] <Dan> Yike!
[17:02] <Lensman> I mean the beginning of the story. As I said, I couldn't stand to watch, so dunno about the rest of it.
[17:02] <F_RED> 04yeah, I said to my friend "hey, this is GREEN LANTERN"
[17:02] <Dan> LOL, just as I thought, they nicked the title and put in the story that they wanted.
[17:03] <F_RED> 04he opined that GL was ripped from Lensman in the first place
[17:04] <Lensman> Lets check Wikipedia and see when it debuted.
[17:04] <NickE> elements maybe
[17:04] <F_RED> 04silver age green lantern is very late 50s
[17:05] <NickE> Yeah, just reading some reprints 1959
[17:06] <Lensman> July 1940, _Gray Lensman_ was 1938. Maybe, but was Lensman really the first "interstellar cop"?
[17:06] <Lensman> When did Captain Future first appear?
[17:06] <F_RED> 04Tomorrow
[17:06] <Dan> LOL
[17:06] <TreeHugger> 12lol
[17:06] <Lensman> 1940. Hmmm.
[17:07] <Lensman> Golden age Green Lanern started in July 1940.
[17:07] <F_RED> 04yeah, but golden age GL is a different animal
[17:08] <Lensman> But, correct me if I'm wrong, it was the golden age green lantern who got his Ring of Power from a dying alien who crash-landed on Earth. The silver age GL got his Ring a diffrent way, didn't he?
[17:08] <F_RED> 04yes, totally
[17:09] <F_RED> 04wait
[17:09] <F_RED> 04the silver age guy, 1959, got his ring from the dying alien
[17:09] <F_RED> 04the golden age WW2 guy found a magic lantern and made his own ring
[17:10] <TreeHugger> 12Ooookayyy
[17:10] <F_RED> 04hey, it was a simpler time :)
[17:10] <Lensman> Oops! My bad.
[17:11] <TreeHugger> 12So Green Lantern Corp was a silver age thing?
[17:11] <F_RED> 04yes
[17:11] <Lensman> Okay, so the Anime Lensman copied its story from silver age GL, not golden age.
[17:11] <F_RED> 04the whole 'from space' and 'galactic police force' bit is from the 1960s
[17:12] <Nick_Danger> back
[17:13] <Lensman> Okay, if the Green Lantern Corps is only a silver age thing, it's a lot more believable it's partially stolen from the Lensman series. After all, an Analog poll done in the 60s had Lensman finishing 2nd place in a reader's poll of "best series ever", behind Foundation, despite the last of Lensman having been published over a decade before the poll and Foundation still being current at the time.
[17:14] <NickE> s no good, cant keep eyes open, gonna hit hay. Sorry to cut out but really fubar
[17:14] <Lensman> G'nite Nick!
[17:14] <F_RED> 04nite nick
[17:14] <Dan> Goodnight, NickE!
[17:14] <TreeHugger> 12Bye Nick!
[17:15] <NickE> nite all. Keep the tanjstuff rolling :-)
[17:15] <Nick_Danger> good night nick
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[17:16] <TreeHugger> 12I'm going to go, too, get some some stuff done here. I'll try to get back on later for the Oz chat.
[17:16] <Dan> Bye TreeHugger!
[17:16] <TreeHugger> 12Bye all
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[17:16] <Nick_Danger> I show back up, and everyone goes to bed. (; Goodnight Treehugger
[17:18] <Dan> It's nothing personal, Nick.
[17:20] <Nick_Danger> heh
[17:20] <Nick_Danger> i'm just on a different time zone...
[17:20] <Dan> Drat, I have to leave for work in 40 minutes.
[17:21] <Dan> Last week's holiday layoff spoiled me. But then, I suppose it was a foretast of what my retirement will be like.
[17:22] * SeanS sets mode: +o Lensman
[17:24] <Lensman> I'm honored! But seriously, does that have any real meaning? Can I now create green force field objects with the power of my will? :) Or at least kick off babbling idiots like Matt_Daemon or whoever that was?
[17:25] <Dan> Yeah, but you'll have to learn the commands in the format that Sean's server recognises them.
[17:25] <F_RED> 04Matt Daemon was a babbling idiot? I thought that was Ben Afflack.
[17:25] <Dan> LOL
[17:25] <Lensman> No, that would be Adam Spandler
[17:26] <F_RED> 04my first exposure to Afflack was his commentary on ARMAGEDDON
[17:26] <SeanS> its a standard irc server
[17:26] <F_RED> 04which he was apparently stinking drunk while doing
[17:27] <F_RED> 04he goes on about how dumb the premise is because there is no group of people that go around the world fighting oil fires
[17:27] <Lensman> Well actually I *do* know the command for kicking somone off an IRC chat, altho I've never tried to use it and have no idea who is or isn't authorized to use it.
[17:27] <F_RED> 04which must have come as a shock to Red Adair
[17:27] <F_RED> 04and then gets into how there's nothing to learn about deep drilling except that you have to point the drill 'down'
[17:27] <Lensman> !!! Guess he's never seen "Hellfighters" or whatever that John Wayne movie was!
[17:28] <Dan> Hellfighters is right.
[17:28] <F_RED> 04yeah, Hellfighters, Wayne played Red Adair, who was a real person, and IIRC still alive at the time of Armageddon
[17:28] <Dan> I remember seeing that one at a drive-in as a child.
[17:29] <Lensman> Speaking of professionals who fight oil fires, that was a totally kewl invention after the first Gulf War of using jet engines to blow out oil fires! It let them put out the burning Kuwait oil field fires in a small fraction of the estimated time.
[17:30] <Lensman> Just inject water into the jet exhaust. No dynamite needed!
[17:30] <FrGeek> Yah I remember that, I hear Ben affleck inevnted it
[17:30] <F_RED> 04try THAT with a fusion drive
[17:30] <Lensman> LOL!
[17:30] <Lensman> I think that would be counterproductive...
[17:31] <F_RED> 04could you put out a fire with a gravity polarizer?
[17:31] <Dan> Fusion drive would just melt the surrounding sand into a glass cap over the well. LOL!
[17:32] <FrGeek> Is it just me or is each tiem an actor or musician tryto show us how intellegent they are, they fail miserably?
[17:32] <Lensman> Interesting question. Fire doesn't burn well in microgravity as the convection currents bringing in fresh oxygen to the fire don't flow. So if you make the area of the fire zero-G...
[17:32] <F_RED> 04Sharon Stone being the classic example
[17:32] <FrGeek> I Was jsut going to say fire doe not burn well with no convection currevts
[17:32] <F_RED> 04yeah, I was thinking you'd do better with lower gravity than with higher gravity
[17:32] <Dan> Well, Ed Wood was always the most intelligent person in Hollywood. LOL!
[17:33] <Lensman> Suzanne Sommers would be my poster-child.
[17:33] <F_RED> 04Stone spent YEARS claiming she was in MENSA
[17:33] <F_RED> 04until MENSA got so sick of it they came out and screamed NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[17:34] <FrGeek> Why do peopel make stupid claism that are so easily verified?
[17:34] <F_RED> 04Then instead of shutting up she changed her story to "she went to a MENSA school"
[17:34] <Lensman> I saw Suzanne Sommers on a talk show once. Wow, talk about type-casting for bimbos...
[17:34] <Dan> Because their celebrity leads them to think that no one will ever try to check.
[17:34] <FrGeek> If I had a time each tiem I head a politician say "I never said that" in spit eof the videotape, I woudl be a rich man
[17:34] <F_RED> 04to which MENSA came out and said "not unless you're like 20 years older than you claim you are"
[17:35] <Lensman> Clearly Stone's publicist isn't adept at damage control...
[17:35] <F_RED> 04yeah, case in point, Howard Dean. Every time he claimed he hadn't yelled, they showed the tape of him yelling.
[17:35] <F_RED> 04Why not just say 'damn right I yelled!'
[17:36] <Lensman> What Fred said. Why is it perceived as bad to get excited about something? Dumb, dumb, dumb.
[17:36] <F_RED> 04yeah
[17:36] <F_RED> 04it's not like he was yelling like a girl and running away from a fire leaving orphans to burn
[17:37] <F_RED> 04he yelled in a convention. sheesh.
[17:37] <Lensman> If Dean had simply said "Of *course* I yelled! I'm excited about the prospect we'll win!" ...would he now be president?
[17:38] <Dan> Nah, the Newwsies didn't want him to win.
[17:38] <Lensman> Newsies do often seem like chickens pecking one of the flock to death if they see a spot of blood on it.
[17:39] <FrGeek> "If he said Yah I scream, I screamed becuase we have teh energer to win" would at least not make me feel he thinks I am an idiot
[17:42] <FrGeek> I may not be able to type, but I am not an idiot ;)
[17:42] <F_RED> 04yeah, he wouldn't have won, but he wouldn't be (as much of) a joke
[17:47] <Dan> Sometimes I wonder if we all wouldn't have been better off if the first cave men to invent politics, religion, and other forms of crime hadn't been instantly killed by the other cave men.
[17:47] <Dan> Or should that have read "had been instantly killed"?
[17:48] <FrGeek> Well I obvious don't agree with you abot the religion thing ;)
[17:48] <Dan> LOL
[17:49] <Dan> Obviously not. I'm just entirely too cynical for my own good.
[17:50] <Dan> And I appologise for any insult.
[17:51] <Lensman> Well of course it's easy to say "The first person to come up with X shoulda been killed and we'd all be better off", but of course humans have a *need* for such things-- it's part of our psychology. If it weren't, the ideas would neve have caught on.
[17:52] <Lensman> Anyway, domination games-- which form part of politics-- predate humanity. You can see the same social forces at work in any herd animal, and in packs of dogs and wolves.
[17:53] <F_RED> 04and reindeer
[17:54] <Dan> Actually, I agree. We'd have never developed beyond animals if we'd done away with dominance games.
[17:54] <Lensman> Reindeer are herd animals. Domsticated Caribou.
[17:55] <Lensman> The pecking order of SF fandom is well represented, and amusingly so, here:
[17:55] <FrGeek> Hey Don't worry, If I were insulted you would know
[17:55] <Lensman> http://www.brunching.com/images/geekchartbig.gif
[17:55] <Dan> And now everyone knows why I try to keep myself from debating politics or religion. My POV is too narrow.
[17:56] <FrGeek> Oh yah teh geek hierachy, I have a copy, that put snear teh top
[17:56] <F_RED> 04It's not too narrow, so much as it's not broad enough.
[17:56] <Dan> LOL
[17:56] <F_RED> 04;)
[17:57] <Dan> And now that I've revealed my shortcomings to the people I admire most, it is time for me to leave and get ready for work. LOL! (Open mouth, insert foot, exit gracelessly...)
[17:59] <Dan> I'll see everyone at a later time. For now, I have to go make fiberglass to keep people's homes warm this winter...
[17:59] <Dan> Hugs, and all.
[17:59] <Dan> enters quietly and moves to a shadowed corner. He looks about himself as if for a familiar face. Shaking the folds of his dark blue cloak, he pushes it's hood back from his long gray hair and smiles shyly.
[17:59] <FrGeek> Night
[17:59] <Dan> listens closely to the conversations around himself, taking a seat at an empty table. In the flickering shadows, a drink appears in his left hand-- the liquid within so cold that it steams. He smiles and relaxes at what he hears and sees.
[17:59] <Dan> 6 This seems to be a good spot to relax.
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[18:00] <F_RED> 04he spilled the steaming drink on his keyboard
[18:02] <Lensman> Altho it's overly simplistic to call the Geek Hierarchy Chart a "pecking order". As the chart accurately shows, there are various groups who each consider themselves superior to the others.
[18:10] <Flying_away> Anyone still here?
[18:11] * Flying_away is now known as FlyingDragon
[18:11] <FrGeek> tI'm looking out of teh corner of my eye
[18:11] <FlyingDragon> Friends gone. Few minutes till party time.
[18:11] <F_RED> 04chart doesn't even differentiate between trekkers and trekkies
[18:12] <FlyingDragon> WHat chart is that?
[18:12] <F_RED> 04http://www.brunching.com/images/geekchartbig.gif
[18:12] <FlyingDragon> ah,
[18:13] <Lensman> A difference that makes no difference is no difference.
[18:13] <F_RED> 04and, lensman moves to the bottom of the chart
[18:13] <F_RED> 04right below erotic furries
[18:13] <Lensman> Oh, it's by no means complete. But it's complete enuff to be worth discussing, anyway!
[18:14] <FlyingDragon> Well, it is importatn to disctuisuish between certian things. Like two new techniques I learned recently. THe way I lerned them, it was hard to tell the differance. But when David Pu Sa Bum Nim showed me the differance, there was a BIG differance.
[18:14] <Lensman> LOL! Only if you believe "Lensman Gadfly" is me putting myself into the fanfic...
[18:16] <Lensman> Anyway, "my group" is several places over the chart, including very near the top in "literary SF fans". Also in roleplaying games, and altho I wouldn't describe myself as a "trekkie" I certainly know more lore about Classic Trek than many of them do!
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[18:18] <FlyingDragon> Can't welcome him back if he won't do more than open the door.
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[18:19] <Harry_Redd> Hi All
[18:19] <F_RED> 04hey harry
[18:19] <Lensman> "People come and go so quickly here!" --Dorothy Gale
[18:19] <F_RED> 04did you take a nap?
[18:19] <F_RED> 04(why, is there one missing?)
[18:19] <FlyingDragon> WB, Redd
[18:19] <Lensman> Welcome back Harry
[18:19] * FlyingDragon is now known as RedDragon
[18:20] <Harry_Redd> Yupper. I needed it too.
[18:20] <Lensman> Lessee, what time is the Oz chat?
[18:20] <RedDragon> I need one. I hurt my back during MAster's Club.
[18:20] <Harry_Redd> The Ozites should start drifting in in a couple of hours.
[18:20] <Lensman> "Hurt" as in need to take it easy for 3 days or so, or "hurt" as in a real injury?
[18:20] <RedDragon> THe former, I beleive.
[18:21] <Lensman> Hope so.
[18:21] <Lensman> Well we can hope Larry will show up at the Oz time, he did that once when I was here, but so far he hasn't shown.
[18:21] <RedDragon> He needs reminders, often a personal letter. He doens't often actually read the list.
[18:21] <RedDragon> He is on digest.
[18:23] <RedDragon> The lists I get on digest I often read days later.
[18:26] <Lensman> Anyway, I have had the difference between "trekker" and "trekkie"-- that is, the difference as perceived by a self-described "trekker". But to an outsider, it reminds me of the old RPG joke: "Is the difference between a male and a female troll important?" "Only to another troll."
[18:27] <Lensman> Er, have had the difference explained to me.
[18:29] <RedDragon> MAybe a female only kills you if you come near her kits.
[18:32] <Lensman> "The arabs were laying around the oasis, eating their dates..."
[18:32] <RedDragon> LOL
[18:34] <Harry_Redd> I just sent a reminder to Larry.
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[18:35] <Agincourtdb> hello
[18:35] <RedDragon> hello
[18:35] <Lensman> Hi!
[18:35] <Agincourtdb> how is everyone
[18:35] <Lensman> Tired, but well.
[18:36] <Agincourtdb> good
[18:36] <Agincourtdb> :-)
[18:36] <Agincourtdb> so what are we talking about this fine day
[18:36] <Harry_Redd> Many thing Court.
[18:36] <Harry_Redd> And HI.
[18:36] <Harry_Redd> http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/060524_slam_moon.html
[18:36] <Agincourtdb> hehe
[18:37] <Agincourtdb> slam moon? sounds like a dance move involving nudity
[18:37] <Lensman> Well mostly no one particular topic. There was some discussion of Lensman, Sklark, Green Lantern, and the Anime Lensman, and who copied what and what came first.
[18:37] <Harry_Redd> It hasen't devolved in to Booze and Sex as far as I know, but I was gone for 2 hours taking a nap.
[18:37] <Agincourtdb> or worse: a wrestling move involving nudity
[18:38] <Agincourtdb> lol frank
[18:38] <FrGeek> I may never watch wrestling again....
[18:38] <Lensman> Also politics, fandom pecking order, 'puter problems, celebrity airheads... you know, typical topic drift for fans.
[18:38] <Agincourtdb> hey, if we're gonna hit anything with comets, it should be mars, so as to terraform
[18:38] <RedDragon> gotta go do the family thing.
[18:39] <Agincourtdb> awwwww
[18:39] * RedDragon is now known as Flying_away
[18:39] <Agincourtdb> but i just got here
[18:39] <Harry_Redd> Boxing is a GAY Sport! In Where else would Two men in Satin shorts be fighting over a belt and a purse?
[18:39] <Lensman> Well I tried to "devolve" it into sex with the hoary old "The arabs were laying around the oasis, eating their dates" joke, but that was only because the conversation had died.
[18:39] <Flying_away> :-)
[18:40] <Harry_Redd> BOULDER, Colorado – A strikingly simple concept would provide efficient water provisions for human outposts/bases on the Moon. The idea is to repeatedly clobber our already crater-rich neighbor with tons of water ice—to establish an "anywhere, anytime" delivery system.
[18:40] <Harry_Redd> Not only could chucking a payload of water ice to the Moon help sustain an expeditionary crew there, the impact mimics—in experimental form—a comet strike. Therefore, it’s a double-whammy: A science mission wrapped within an exploration capability test mission.
[18:40] <Harry_Redd> Spearheading the speculative ploy—called SLAM—is Alan Stern, executive director of the Space Science and Engineering Division here at Southwest Research Institute (SwRI). He’s the lead scientist on another far out, but on the way, endeavor – the New Horizons spacecraft that is outbound for Pluto.
[18:40] <Harry_Redd> "I hope the SLAM idea stimulates thought and gets people thinking a little bit more out of the box," Stern told SPACE.com. "When we have people on the Moon, they are going to need water. This is an exceptionally efficient, low-cost way to get it there."
[18:41] <Harry_Redd> Speaking of water, BRB!
[18:41] <Agincourtdb> or we could skip a step and send them to Europa or Callisto
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[18:41] <Bill> HELLO KNOWN SPACE!
[18:41] <Agincourtdb> hi Bill
[18:41] <Lensman> Welcome Bill!
[18:41] <Agincourtdb> look it's Mr. Bill
[18:41] <F_RED> 04Isn't SLAM the kind of short sighted thinking that got the moon blown up in Space 1999?
[18:42] <Lensman> LOL!
[18:42] <Agincourtdb> dunno never watched it
[18:42] <Agincourtdb> little before my time
[18:42] <F_RED> 041999 was before your time??
[18:42] <F_RED> 04what are you, 5???
[18:42] <Lensman> But seriously, what do they propose as the driving engine for moving a sizable comet or ice-teroid? We are having trouble coming up with a drive to get a manned mission to Mars and back in six months.
[18:42] <Agincourtdb> Space 1999 the tv show
[18:42] <F_RED> 04humour
[18:43] <Agincourtdb> a comet is it's own fuel
[18:43] <F_RED> 04it is a difficult concept
[18:43] <F_RED> 04:)
[18:43] <Agincourtdb> as in Gripping hand
[18:43] <Lensman> Trekkie.
[18:43] <F_RED> 04grrrr
[18:43] <Bill> I'm sorry I'm here so late, but I went to the "doctor" today and came back with good news, so bought a couple of Irish Coffees to take the chill off. (Brrr!) "Space 1999" was before whose time? Lucky bastid ...
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[18:44] <Lensman> Sorry I couldn't resist! Your comeback shoulda been "Oh yah? If you aren't a trekkie, howcum you recognized the quote?" ;-)
[18:44] <Agincourtdb> doh, Mr. Bill got squashed
[18:44] <F_RED> 04In Space 1999 they put a nuke fuel dump on the dark side of the moon (yeah, yeah, I know) and it spontaneously combusted (yeah, yeah, I know) sending the moon hurtling AWAY from Earth (yeah, yeah I know) at translight velocities
[18:44] <Lensman> LOL! Who's Mr. Hands? Must be Sean...
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[18:45] <Bill> Oh, crap, we're not going to play that game again, I hope ...
[18:45] <Agincourtdb> and somebody actually watched that show?
[18:45] <Lensman> ...fortunately pausing at various galactic locations once a week so they can interact with the locals and have a story...
[18:45] <Agincourtdb> somebody HERE?
[18:45] <FrGeek> IIt was on as a kid and I enjoyed it then
[18:46] <Agincourtdb> Anyway, fantastic joke. Timely. ;-)
[18:46] <Lensman> I freely confess I watched no less than 2 episodes of "Space: 1999". The second because, following on "UFO", I was *sure* the show had to improve. I was wrong; the second was even worse than the first...
[18:46] <Bill> As I started to say, Barbara Bain is one of the classic beauties: what she saw in Martin "Fish-lips" Landau is beyond me.
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[18:48] <Lensman> Martin Landau is a Great actor, as he proved in "Ed Wood". He was also a good series actor, as he demonstrated quite ably in "Mission: Impossible" (one of my all-time faves). I put down the removal of all emoting and emotional content from the show to the director.
[18:48] <F_RED> 04yeah, each week the moon would find a planet, settle into orbit, and they'd take ships down and explore the surface to see if they wanted to stay before the moon launched itself into space again
[18:48] <F_RED> 04and, no, the fuel dump was not still exploding. the mechanism causing this was never explained
[18:49] <F_RED> 04btw, Space 1999 is actually season 2 of UFO
[18:49] <F_RED> 04when they were pitching seaso 2 of UFO, they wanted something BIG for the first episode
[18:49] <F_RED> 04Gerry Anderson says LET'S BLOW UP THE EARTH!
[18:49] <F_RED> 04it was pointed out that this would greatly limit further story possibilites
[18:49] <F_RED> 04so Gerry says LET'S BLOW UP THE MOON!
[18:50] <Lensman> That's a fan myth, dispelled oin the "UFO" DVD commentary tracks.
[18:50] <F_RED> 04it is?
[18:50] <Harry_Redd> BACK!
[18:50] <F_RED> 04hey harry
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[18:50] <Agincourtdb> it was 30 years ago
[18:50] <Bill> Hello? Am I back?
[18:50] <F_RED> 04yes
[18:50] <Agincourtdb> hi bill
[18:50] <Agincourtdb> wb
[18:51] <Harry_Redd> Back
[18:51] <Lensman> Yup, apparently entirely started by the use of the proposed expanded moonbase from the cancelled 2nd UFO season; the design was the basis for what became Moonbase Alpha.
[18:51] <Bill> Hello again, Angincourt. Hello Frank, are you really online again?
[18:51] <FrGeek> Where shoudl be a special box on eth geek hieatchary to UFO and SPace 1999
[18:51] <F_RED> 04hell, I'm in the SUPERCAR box
[18:51] <Lensman> But there is no other connection between the two shows, despite a fanwank attempt to put the two into the same universe.
[18:51] <F_RED> 04agreed
[18:52] <Harry_Redd> Yupper Bill
[18:52] <Bill> Look at the seats on the Moonbase set ... about the only props that weren't destroyed from "2001" --- they were the pilot/copilot seats in the rocket bus.
[18:52] <F_RED> 04I never understood how Barbara Bain won an Emmy for her acting in Mission Impossible
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[18:52] <Lensman> I'm in the Fireball XL-5, Thunderbirds, Supercar, Stingray and UFO boxes, looking down on the Space: 1999 box.
[18:52] <Harry_Redd> "OH"! That was ACTING?
[18:53] <F_RED> 04yeah
[18:53] <F_RED> 04who the hell else was nominated that year, the bloop from Lost in Space?
[18:53] <Lensman> Mmmmm... I really enjoyed MI, it was one of my faves (did I say that?) but it wasn't an actor's show.
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[18:53] <Bill> Awww, shirt ...
[18:53] <Lensman> Hey Bill, come when you can stay awhile!
[18:54] <F_RED> 04Lensman, you're a supercar fan?
[18:54] <F_RED> 04wanna see some files?
[18:54] <Harry_Redd> An 85-year-old man was requested by his doctor for a sperm count as
[18:54] <Harry_Redd> part of his physical exam.
[18:54] <Harry_Redd> The doctor gave the man a jar and said, "Take this jar home and bring
[18:54] <Harry_Redd> back a semen sample tomorrow."
[18:54] <Harry_Redd> The next day the 85-year-old man reappeared at the doctor's office and
[18:54] <Harry_Redd> gave him the jar, which was as clean and empty as on the previous day.
[18:54] <Harry_Redd> The doctor asked what happened and the man explained,
[18:54] <Harry_Redd> "Well, doc, it's like this - first I tried with my right hand, but nothing.
[18:54] <Harry_Redd> Then I tried with my left hand, but still nothing.
[18:54] <Harry_Redd> Then I asked my wife for help.
[18:54] <Harry_Redd> She tried with her right hand, then with her left, still nothing.
[18:54] <Harry_Redd> She tried with her mouth, first with the teeth in, then with her
[18:54] <Harry_Redd> teeth out, still nothing.
[18:54] <Harry_Redd> We even called up Arleen, the lady next door, and she tried too, first
[18:54] <Harry_Redd> with both hands, then an armpit, and she even tried squeezin' it between
[18:54] <Harry_Redd> her knees, but still nothing.
[18:54] <Harry_Redd> The doctor was shocked!
[18:54] <Harry_Redd> "You asked your neighbor?"
[18:54] <Harry_Redd> The old man replied, "Yep, none of us could get the jar open."
[18:54] <Lensman> Seriously, perhaps you should try a different connection?
[18:54] <Bill> No shirt, Dave ... I don't seem to have any control over it at the moment.
[18:54] <Agincourtdb> lol Frank
[18:55] <Lensman> Well, I *was* a Supercar fan. We watched an episode at one of our film fests-- I can't even sit thru an entire episode of Thunderbirds now. Supercar was painful.
[18:55] <Harry_Redd> Bill, you should look into Earthlink
[18:55] <Lensman> Often, you can't go home again.
[18:55] <F_RED> 04:(
[18:55] <Lensman> Bill: How are you connecting? IRC? Java client?
[18:56] <Lensman> It's that damn monkey, I tell you! (in Supercar). Well no, Mike Mercury no longer thrills me either.
[18:56] <Bill> Supercar fen? If I weren't in the middle of another project now, I'd send some shorts from my Supercar film. (Probably won't be released until after "2001: A Special Odyssey."
[18:56] <F_RED> 04well, if you'd like to see my model supercar
[18:56] <F_RED> 04http://homepage.mac.com/anim8rfsk/Supercar/FileSharing5.html
[18:57] <Lensman> Dammit Bill you have to quit teasing us like that! Go ahead and finish the thing already tanj dammit!
[18:57] <F_RED> 04or if you'd like to see the Supercar calendar I made last year
[18:57] <F_RED> 04http://homepage.mac.com/anim8rfsk/Pirates/PhotoAlbum60.html
[18:57] <Bill> F_Red: I'll check on that. Dave: I will *WILL* send you the clip this evening.
[18:58] <Bill> BUT I'm going to be AGOH at RadCon with Larry as GOH, I promised I'd premiere the thing at the con. Then it's gonna be all over the internet.
[18:58] <Lensman> Which Dave?
[18:58] <Lensman> So when is RadCon?
[18:59] <Bill> But: RadCon gets it first.
[18:59] <Lensman> That's fine, I just want to see the thing! And show it to my movie group, the Laser Rangers.
[18:59] <Lensman> We have a very big-- enormous-- 2001 fan in the group.
[19:00] <F_RED> 04I was very annoyed they didn't make a 2001 calendar in 2001
[19:00] <Agincourtdb> lol
[19:00] <Agincourtdb> now that's a good point
[19:01] <Agincourtdb> inexcusable
[19:01] <F_RED> 04I actually made one as an Xmas gift for a friend who was even more annoyed than I
[19:01] <Agincourtdb> make a 2010 calendar and I'll buy one hehe
[19:01] <Bill> Dave, I mean David S ... you? Still at peoplepc?
[19:01] <F_RED> 04heh
[19:02] <Bill> I jab 2010 pretty hard in the ribs with this abortion.
[19:02] <F_RED> 04Let's see . . . as long as I'm sharing with you fold
[19:02] <F_RED> 04folk
[19:02] <Agincourtdb> ?
[19:02] <Lensman> Yah, it's just that when people say "Dave" or "David" in here or on the list I never know if they're talking to me or not, as we have, what? 3 or 4 Daves.
[19:02] <F_RED> 04any TOM SWIFT fans?
[19:02] <Agincourtdb> call me Agin I'm used to it. or Aggie
[19:03] <Bill> "My monster will not work with partial organs," Victor said half-heartedly.
[19:03] <Agincourtdb> or hey you
[19:03] <Lensman> Used to be a big TS Jr. fan, devoured every one of those and bought my own collection. Something else where "you can't go home again". VERY McCarthy era; "the enemy" has agents everywhere and TS and his friends' most inportant task is the fight against International Communism!
[19:03] <Agincourtdb> Bill is free-associating
[19:03] <Bill> Sorry again, Agin ...
[19:04] <Agincourtdb> hehe
[19:04] <Agincourtdb> ...penguin.
[19:04] <F_RED> 04http://homepage.mac.com/anim8rfsk/TomSwift/
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